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System76 is a solid choice (I love my four year old Gazelle, with 16Gb or RAM from the start), although ordering a laptop there is slightly cumbersome if you ar

System76 is a solid choice (I love my four year old Gazelle, with 16Gb or RAM from the start), although ordering a laptop there is slightly cumbersome if you are living outside of North America. https://system76.com/laptops https://system76.com/laptops The build quality of their offerings seems to get better with each successive generation too, and of course everything works out of the box. I just wish they would partner with someone in the EU; that way shipping costs, VAT, and tariffs can be handled more transparently.

driverdan 10y ago
Those are nowhere near comparable to a MBP. Plastic, thick, heavy. No thanks.
JonnieCache 10y ago
What makes system76 laptops better than the XPS 13?
- dagw 10y ago
  Depends on what you care about. If you want are willing to sacrifice a bit of performance for longer battery life and lower weight, then the XPS 13 wins handily. If on the other hand you're willing to sacrifice (quite a lot of) battery life and accept (a lot) heavier weight in exchange for performance, then System 76 will sell you some of the fastest laptops money can buy.
  - coldtea 10y ago
    >If on the other hand you're willing to sacrifice (quite a lot of) battery life and accept (a lot) heavier weight in exchange for performance Then you're not really into this mobility thing?
    - dagw 10y ago
      Mobility is relative. Back when I split my time between two offices and occasionally worked from home I would have loved to have a decently powerful workstation that I could easily transport in a backpack.
    - MatthewMcDonald 10y ago
      Mobility is relative. They may want desktop level performance that can be moved more easily than lugging around a tower/monitor/keyboard/mouse. Not everyone needs (or cares about) the ability to work away from a power source for more than a few hours.
- vsgxvhdxh 10y ago
  It is actually available to buy right now. The Xps 13 developer edition is not available and the Windows edition has different hardware which is not Linux compatible (WiFi).
  - JonnieCache 10y ago
    >different hardware which is not Linux compatible (WiFi). link? I heard they had crappy broadcom chipsets but would be good to get some specific info. TBH the sites i looked at last night seemed to say the current hardware that ships with windows is well supported...
    - vsgxvhdxh 10y ago
      It used to be that you had to use Windows to update the bios and that grub didn't work so dual boot was not possible. Also broadcomm. Glad if that has changed!
  - deadbunny 10y ago
    Can't speak for the xps13 but I got a xps15 (Windows, no Linux option) about 6 months ago and everything works as expected.
  - kevinherron 10y ago
    Yes, it is available: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?3x_nav=OS_BRAND%3DUBUNT&3x_page=1&filterCollapsed=true http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?3x_n...
    - vsgxvhdxh 10y ago
      Excellent I've been trying to buy one for a while. Now to find it in the UK site...
- matzipan 10y ago
  Not much. Both System76 and Dell's Sputnik spend quite a bit of time getting good support for their laptops under Linux. I personally think XPS has a much better design for a laptop.
dagw 10y ago
Where in the EU are you? Several companies sell essentially the same laptops under a different brand name: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptops/ https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptops/ and https://www.mysn.de/ https://www.mysn.de/ where the first two I found with some quick googling
- Freak_NL 10y ago
  Those appear to be laptops preloaded with Windows with an option to ship without an OS. The benefit of ordering from System76 is that the hardware all just works with Linux.
  - dagw 10y ago
    Here's a company in Sweden that sells Clevo laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed: http://www.ggsdata.se/index-en.php http://www.ggsdata.se/index-en.php

driverdan 10y ago

Those are nowhere near comparable to a MBP. Plastic, thick, heavy. No thanks.

JonnieCache 10y ago

What makes system76 laptops better than the XPS 13?

dagw 10y ago
Depends on what you care about. If you want are willing to sacrifice a bit of performance for longer battery life and lower weight, then the XPS 13 wins handily. If on the other hand you're willing to sacrifice (quite a lot of) battery life and accept (a lot) heavier weight in exchange for performance, then System 76 will sell you some of the fastest laptops money can buy.
- coldtea 10y ago
  >If on the other hand you're willing to sacrifice (quite a lot of) battery life and accept (a lot) heavier weight in exchange for performance Then you're not really into this mobility thing?
  - dagw 10y ago
    Mobility is relative. Back when I split my time between two offices and occasionally worked from home I would have loved to have a decently powerful workstation that I could easily transport in a backpack.
  - MatthewMcDonald 10y ago
    Mobility is relative. They may want desktop level performance that can be moved more easily than lugging around a tower/monitor/keyboard/mouse. Not everyone needs (or cares about) the ability to work away from a power source for more than a few hours.
vsgxvhdxh 10y ago
It is actually available to buy right now. The Xps 13 developer edition is not available and the Windows edition has different hardware which is not Linux compatible (WiFi).
- JonnieCache 10y ago
  >different hardware which is not Linux compatible (WiFi). link? I heard they had crappy broadcom chipsets but would be good to get some specific info. TBH the sites i looked at last night seemed to say the current hardware that ships with windows is well supported...
  - vsgxvhdxh 10y ago
    It used to be that you had to use Windows to update the bios and that grub didn't work so dual boot was not possible. Also broadcomm. Glad if that has changed!
- deadbunny 10y ago
  Can't speak for the xps13 but I got a xps15 (Windows, no Linux option) about 6 months ago and everything works as expected.
- kevinherron 10y ago
  Yes, it is available: http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?3x_nav=OS_BRAND%3DUBUNT&3x_page=1&filterCollapsed=true http://www.dell.com/us/business/p/xps-13-9360-laptop/pd?3x_n...
  - vsgxvhdxh 10y ago
    Excellent I've been trying to buy one for a while. Now to find it in the UK site...
matzipan 10y ago
Not much. Both System76 and Dell's Sputnik spend quite a bit of time getting good support for their laptops under Linux. I personally think XPS has a much better design for a laptop.

dagw 10y ago

Where in the EU are you? Several companies sell essentially the same laptops under a different brand name: https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptops/ https://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/laptops/ and https://www.mysn.de/ https://www.mysn.de/ where the first two I found with some quick googling

Freak_NL 10y ago
Those appear to be laptops preloaded with Windows with an option to ship without an OS. The benefit of ordering from System76 is that the hardware all just works with Linux.
- dagw 10y ago
  Here's a company in Sweden that sells Clevo laptops with Ubuntu pre-installed: http://www.ggsdata.se/index-en.php http://www.ggsdata.se/index-en.php