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Yeah, you were snippy, and caps-lock shouted at me when you mistook me for an Apple fan boy skeptical of wasm, when in fact I was a wasm fan boy skeptical of Ap

by SiVal 10y ago

Yeah, you were snippy, and caps-lock shouted at me when you mistook me for an Apple fan boy skeptical of wasm, when in fact I was a wasm fan boy skeptical of Apple, but as I noted earlier in another comment (just a few below this one, written before you chimed in here), I'm an Eich fan, too. I was so before you got snippy, and nothing has changed, because you're fighting for what I consider very important: the Extensible Web concept, giving us a much better app platform that has unprecedented reach and openness. Apple's "courageous" willingness to enforce their own agenda and disappoint those with other priorities does not inspire confidence that Apple is fully on board with this wide-open web app platform, and that "no comment" is just how they express their enthusiasm. But maybe they really are enthusiastic, and maybe they can hardly wait to announce their support for progressive web apps, too. Since I'm not in the smoky back rooms, I'll just have to wait and see. But you and others who are working toward making these things happen, not just creating the tech but also working on the politics, should know that you're doing a valuable thing for the world, and lots of us appreciate what you do.

BrendanEich 10y ago
You must mean this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9736138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9736138 I don't think that counts as caps-lock shouting, as it's not all caps-lock. :-/ But whatever you call it, sorry about that. Re-reading it, I still think you seemed a bit over-aggro re: Apple, hence my mocking (again, sorry) -- but who knows? You could be right and they'll slow-roll or cripple WebAssembly. I doubt it, based on what I know, but it is all speculation until they ship. Only thing to do is carry on and do what we can to up the competitive pressure.
- SiVal 10y ago
  You're very gracious, but whether I owe you an apology for being "over-aggro" or not, you don't owe me any, which you would have seen if you had seen my expression face to face. Imagine me looking down, smiling, shaking my head while asking, "yeah, but are you SURE you aren't just imagining the answer you want to hear?" and you'll get the right "feel". The caps lock business is just me ribbing you with a grin. The only serious part is that I'm grateful to you for trying to make something happen that I really want plus a bit of worry that it sounds a little too good to be true and not wanting to get my hopes up too much. But you've answered my real issue ("how serious are they, really?") as far as you possibly can at this point, and I'm more optimistic than before, while still reserving a bit just in case.... And I really hope that more of the "extensible web" enabling technologies will follow sooner rather than later. Good luck and thanks.

by SiVal 10y ago

BrendanEich 10y ago

You must mean this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9736138 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9736138 I don't think that counts as caps-lock shouting, as it's not all caps-lock. :-/ But whatever you call it, sorry about that. Re-reading it, I still think you seemed a bit over-aggro re: Apple, hence my mocking (again, sorry) -- but who knows? You could be right and they'll slow-roll or cripple WebAssembly. I doubt it, based on what I know, but it is all speculation until they ship. Only thing to do is carry on and do what we can to up the competitive pressure.

SiVal 10y ago
You're very gracious, but whether I owe you an apology for being "over-aggro" or not, you don't owe me any, which you would have seen if you had seen my expression face to face. Imagine me looking down, smiling, shaking my head while asking, "yeah, but are you SURE you aren't just imagining the answer you want to hear?" and you'll get the right "feel". The caps lock business is just me ribbing you with a grin. The only serious part is that I'm grateful to you for trying to make something happen that I really want plus a bit of worry that it sounds a little too good to be true and not wanting to get my hopes up too much. But you've answered my real issue ("how serious are they, really?") as far as you possibly can at this point, and I'm more optimistic than before, while still reserving a bit just in case.... And I really hope that more of the "extensible web" enabling technologies will follow sooner rather than later. Good luck and thanks.