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This kind of apologist attitude, just like everyone throwing money at them when they unilaterally took away the headphone jack, tells Apple they can disappoint

by rosser 10y ago

This kind of apologist attitude, just like everyone throwing money at them when they unilaterally took away the headphone jack, tells Apple they can disappoint and dictate to their customers as much as they want, and will still make money hand over fist for it. Is that really what you want?

NEDM64 10y ago
All I see is people attacking the MBP to defend Microsoft outdated (28nm GPU, old ports) garbage
- rosser 10y ago
  Then you aren't looking very hard. Yes, maybe that's a (small) part of it (though your "28nm gpu" hyperbole really does detract from your point), but it's nowhere near all of it.
  - NEDM64 10y ago
    It is, don't try to hide it. Apple haters.
    - rosser 10y ago
      Dude, I'm typing this on my fifth Apple computer, am currently on my ... sixth, I think, iPhone, and second iPad. Don't make assumptions. Criticism isn't hate. Blind loyalty isn't love.
      - NEDM64 10y ago
        Same old story, your actions speak louder.
        rosser 10y ago
        What actions? Voicing my displeasure at the actions of a company to which I've given as much money as I have? Please, be specific.
LaSombra 10y ago
It seems so. Apple gets away with stuff other companies would never be able to. Why not introducing USB-C on the iPhone 7 and makes it easy for the new MBP crowd? It seems the 2 teams didn't talk. Samsung could pull off the same stunt.
lucozade 10y ago
> tells Apple they can disappoint and dictate to their customers More correctly, tells Apple that they can disappoint and dictate to some of their customers. Whether it's a problem for Apple is, of course, dependent on whether it disappoints enough customers sufficiently. My sense is that they will continue to appeal to a large number of people who want highly attractive, easy to use, reasonably capable, reasonably portable kit. They will also continue to attract those who wish to service said people. What they'll fail to do is continue to service the more niche clientele who traditionally swore by Apple e.g. non-Apple ecosystem devs and heavy duty media makers. I'm not hugely happy about this trend as I'm sort of in one of these niches. I'd quite like to have access to a big, expandable chunk of kit that has Apple's traditional build quality. But I'm still likely to upgrade to a 7 when my contract renews as I have a pair of Bluetooth headphones. I mean, I use my phone for appy things and music when I'm travelling. In that regard I'm really not niche at all.
- rosser 10y ago
  I use my phone as my primary music player, too — both at home and when traveling. I have a nice (Mass Fidelity Core) Bluetooth speaker for home, but for travel, I dropped a couple bills on a nice pair of wired noise-isolating earbuds (B&W C5 S2), and having that purchase unilaterally obviated remains a sore spot for me. Yes, I could drop another $40 to get that functionality back, but then I sacrifice simultaneous charging. It's hard not to see this as being pushed around by a bully who's after your lunch money (for arbitrarily large values of "lunch money") sometimes. I'll stick with a 6S for as long as I can, and hopefully this situation will be resolved somehow before then. Maybe they'll release another SE-like device that has a physical headphone jack again, but I'm not holding my breath.
kstenerud 10y ago
What I want is a company willing to piss off a few users by going with the times. Ever since my first computer 35 years ago, I've dreamed of the day when we could get rid of all these individual ports and finally have the One True Connector. Yeah, the transition period sucks. Yeah, you'll have to buy $25 dongles. So what? There's a usb-c dongle that has HDMI, SD card reader, and 4 usb 3 type A ports on it for $30. Done. Problem solved. Stop bitching. I still have old style keyboard to ps/2 adapters, ps/2 to usb adapters, composite to VGA adapters, VGA to DVI adapters, DVI to HDMI adapters, HDMI to thunderbolt adapters, serial and parallel to USB adapters, IDE to SATA adapters, SATA to USB adapters... And now I'm glad to see that era is finally at an end. And in a few years when there are no more peripherals using outdated ports, nobody will even remember this time, or your griping.
- rosser 10y ago
  I'm not bitching about USB-C. I'm actually kinda with you on that one, so please try not to put words in my mouth. But the headphone jack? No, that one is Apple pushing people around. It's not to make the phone "thinner" because that fugly lens protrusion is hideous, and the 7 is exactly as thick as the 6S, anyway. It's not to make the phone "waterproof"; $.00000002/phone worth of silicone around the jack could have done that. As Schiller himself said, it "comes down to one word — courage." It's purely about seeing if they can dictate to their customers, and people are lining up, all, "Shut up and take my money!" EDIT: vulgarity.
  - kstenerud 10y ago
    There have been usb audio adapters on the market for over a decade now. They're available dirt cheap on Amazon, with the newer ones plugging into usb-c. And soon, we'll start seeing headphones that plug directly into the usb port. Once again, problem solved.
    - rosser 10y ago
      You're talking about the MBP, which still has a 3.5mm audio jack. I'm talking about the iPhone 7, and pretty unambiguously have been all along (if, granted, by no other measure than the sheer fact that the computer still has the port in question). Can we please at least have the same conversation? Or are you more interested in down-shouting anyone who has this objection with "quit your bitching" and "problem solved"?

by rosser 10y ago

NEDM64 10y ago

All I see is people attacking the MBP to defend Microsoft outdated (28nm GPU, old ports) garbage

rosser 10y ago
Then you aren't looking very hard. Yes, maybe that's a (small) part of it (though your "28nm gpu" hyperbole really does detract from your point), but it's nowhere near all of it.
- NEDM64 10y ago
  It is, don't try to hide it. Apple haters.
  - rosser 10y ago
    Dude, I'm typing this on my fifth Apple computer, am currently on my ... sixth, I think, iPhone, and second iPad. Don't make assumptions. Criticism isn't hate. Blind loyalty isn't love.
    - NEDM64 10y ago
      Same old story, your actions speak louder.
      - rosser 10y ago
        What actions? Voicing my displeasure at the actions of a company to which I've given as much money as I have? Please, be specific.

LaSombra 10y ago

It seems so. Apple gets away with stuff other companies would never be able to. Why not introducing USB-C on the iPhone 7 and makes it easy for the new MBP crowd? It seems the 2 teams didn't talk. Samsung could pull off the same stunt.

lucozade 10y ago

> tells Apple they can disappoint and dictate to their customers More correctly, tells Apple that they can disappoint and dictate to some of their customers. Whether it's a problem for Apple is, of course, dependent on whether it disappoints enough customers sufficiently. My sense is that they will continue to appeal to a large number of people who want highly attractive, easy to use, reasonably capable, reasonably portable kit. They will also continue to attract those who wish to service said people. What they'll fail to do is continue to service the more niche clientele who traditionally swore by Apple e.g. non-Apple ecosystem devs and heavy duty media makers. I'm not hugely happy about this trend as I'm sort of in one of these niches. I'd quite like to have access to a big, expandable chunk of kit that has Apple's traditional build quality. But I'm still likely to upgrade to a 7 when my contract renews as I have a pair of Bluetooth headphones. I mean, I use my phone for appy things and music when I'm travelling. In that regard I'm really not niche at all.

rosser 10y ago
I use my phone as my primary music player, too — both at home and when traveling. I have a nice (Mass Fidelity Core) Bluetooth speaker for home, but for travel, I dropped a couple bills on a nice pair of wired noise-isolating earbuds (B&W C5 S2), and having that purchase unilaterally obviated remains a sore spot for me. Yes, I could drop another $40 to get that functionality back, but then I sacrifice simultaneous charging. It's hard not to see this as being pushed around by a bully who's after your lunch money (for arbitrarily large values of "lunch money") sometimes. I'll stick with a 6S for as long as I can, and hopefully this situation will be resolved somehow before then. Maybe they'll release another SE-like device that has a physical headphone jack again, but I'm not holding my breath.

kstenerud 10y ago

What I want is a company willing to piss off a few users by going with the times. Ever since my first computer 35 years ago, I've dreamed of the day when we could get rid of all these individual ports and finally have the One True Connector. Yeah, the transition period sucks. Yeah, you'll have to buy $25 dongles. So what? There's a usb-c dongle that has HDMI, SD card reader, and 4 usb 3 type A ports on it for $30. Done. Problem solved. Stop bitching. I still have old style keyboard to ps/2 adapters, ps/2 to usb adapters, composite to VGA adapters, VGA to DVI adapters, DVI to HDMI adapters, HDMI to thunderbolt adapters, serial and parallel to USB adapters, IDE to SATA adapters, SATA to USB adapters... And now I'm glad to see that era is finally at an end. And in a few years when there are no more peripherals using outdated ports, nobody will even remember this time, or your griping.

rosser 10y ago
I'm not bitching about USB-C. I'm actually kinda with you on that one, so please try not to put words in my mouth. But the headphone jack? No, that one is Apple pushing people around. It's not to make the phone "thinner" because that fugly lens protrusion is hideous, and the 7 is exactly as thick as the 6S, anyway. It's not to make the phone "waterproof"; $.00000002/phone worth of silicone around the jack could have done that. As Schiller himself said, it "comes down to one word — courage." It's purely about seeing if they can dictate to their customers, and people are lining up, all, "Shut up and take my money!" EDIT: vulgarity.
- kstenerud 10y ago
  There have been usb audio adapters on the market for over a decade now. They're available dirt cheap on Amazon, with the newer ones plugging into usb-c. And soon, we'll start seeing headphones that plug directly into the usb port. Once again, problem solved.
  - rosser 10y ago
    You're talking about the MBP, which still has a 3.5mm audio jack. I'm talking about the iPhone 7, and pretty unambiguously have been all along (if, granted, by no other measure than the sheer fact that the computer still has the port in question). Can we please at least have the same conversation? Or are you more interested in down-shouting anyone who has this objection with "quit your bitching" and "problem solved"?