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I think he's referring specifically to giving a shit about people's criticism or even lack of interest, not about the product itself. Just about anyone who has

by dkrich 10y ago

I think he's referring specifically to giving a shit about people's criticism or even lack of interest, not about the product itself. Just about anyone who has publicly launched a product or idea knows what it's like to have your ego crushed by people who take one look and dismiss work that you've likely spent a lot of time and enthusiasm on. That can hurt a lot, and you really do have to develop a thick skin to a point where you don't get discouraged by criticism and dismissive attitudes (which frankly seem to be the default on this forum).

delegate 10y ago
I thought there was something wrong with my projects, with the code or with myself when people did that. And probably, there is :). But as I get older I try to give less of a shit about what others say. I've also noticed that people troll more when they are unhappy about something in their life - I know it because I do it too - I'm more negative or dismissive when things aren't going quite as I'd like them or when I have an argument with my wife or something...
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  > I've also noticed that people troll more when they are unhappy about something in their life Right. Good thing to remember. I also realize that I have days of cynical mood, in which I tend to click "Reply" instead of "Close tab" and some poor randomly selected commenter now gets to read my rant...
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pjlegato 10y ago
Granted, people are often unnecessarily rude about their criticism and dismissive attitude, but -- they're the default because, frankly, almost all projects are not actually worth much (monetarily or otherwise), irrespective of how much time and enthusiasm the creators put into them. There's no need to be rude as a critic, but false praise is even worse than accurate criticism as it is actively deceptive. We are not in kindergarten. Stroking people's egos and making people think they did a good job when they didn't is not why we come here.
- dkrich 10y ago
  I don't really mind criticism if it's from somebody who's been there and done it, or even has a small amount of experience in the area. The problem is that most of the time it seems that the early commenters who speak with so much certainty about the prospects for success about what somebody else is trying to build have zero experience in the given field and whose opinions are basically worthless. I've seen this more here than anywhere else. A specific theme I've seen come up time and time again is "X won't work because EVERYONE knows you can accomplish the same goal by doing A, B, C, and D." It's "let me look at this product and think of reasons why it could potentially fail" without reflecting on whether or not they really know what they are talking about. For example if you are shooting down a job board for older developers because you've tried to launch a job board and failed and know the specific challenges involved and see them present in that product, go ahead and shoot it down- your advice is likely very insightful and helpful. However if all you've done is sit at home and tinker around building "side projects" while occasionally commenting on discussion forums and haven't publicly launched a similar product, your opinion probably sucks.

by dkrich 10y ago

delegate 10y ago

I thought there was something wrong with my projects, with the code or with myself when people did that. And probably, there is :). But as I get older I try to give less of a shit about what others say. I've also noticed that people troll more when they are unhappy about something in their life - I know it because I do it too - I'm more negative or dismissive when things aren't going quite as I'd like them or when I have an argument with my wife or something...

TeMPOraL 10y ago
> I've also noticed that people troll more when they are unhappy about something in their life Right. Good thing to remember. I also realize that I have days of cynical mood, in which I tend to click "Reply" instead of "Close tab" and some poor randomly selected commenter now gets to read my rant...
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pjlegato 10y ago

Granted, people are often unnecessarily rude about their criticism and dismissive attitude, but -- they're the default because, frankly, almost all projects are not actually worth much (monetarily or otherwise), irrespective of how much time and enthusiasm the creators put into them. There's no need to be rude as a critic, but false praise is even worse than accurate criticism as it is actively deceptive. We are not in kindergarten. Stroking people's egos and making people think they did a good job when they didn't is not why we come here.

dkrich 10y ago
I don't really mind criticism if it's from somebody who's been there and done it, or even has a small amount of experience in the area. The problem is that most of the time it seems that the early commenters who speak with so much certainty about the prospects for success about what somebody else is trying to build have zero experience in the given field and whose opinions are basically worthless. I've seen this more here than anywhere else. A specific theme I've seen come up time and time again is "X won't work because EVERYONE knows you can accomplish the same goal by doing A, B, C, and D." It's "let me look at this product and think of reasons why it could potentially fail" without reflecting on whether or not they really know what they are talking about. For example if you are shooting down a job board for older developers because you've tried to launch a job board and failed and know the specific challenges involved and see them present in that product, go ahead and shoot it down- your advice is likely very insightful and helpful. However if all you've done is sit at home and tinker around building "side projects" while occasionally commenting on discussion forums and haven't publicly launched a similar product, your opinion probably sucks.