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How did you arrive at it costing $10 to recharge its 238 mile battery? That seems way high. For your post to matter, you should really cite figures or at leas
by runjake 10y ago
How did you arrive at it costing $10 to recharge its 238 mile battery?
That seems way high.
For your post to matter, you should really cite figures or at least detail your math a bit.
- ramy_d 10y agohttp://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/10/27/141766341/the-price-of-electricity-in-your-state http://www.npr.org/sections/money/2011/10/27/141766341/the-p... I assumed he used california prices. I live in canada and electricity is half the price as it is in cali based on that website (but the weather could affect millage as well).
- maxerickson 10y agoAverage US electric price is $0.12. So 60 kw-h is $7.20. Brings the breakeven miles down a fair bit, and I guess it should be possible to have quite lot cheaper electricity for charging (and lots of people will have to do the calculation with higher prices).
- peter303 10y agoIn Colorado the fixed fees nearly double the rate if you are a smaller consumer of 100 KWH a month.
- pilom 10y agoI totally agree, but your average EV driver who charges at home is going to use way more than 100 kwh/month.
- bzbarsky 10y ago> Average US electric price is $0.12. This number (which actually varies somewhat widely depending on which source you look at) hides a huge standard deviation. For example, http://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/ http://www.eia.gov/electricity/state/ lists the overall number at $0.1044 but by that ranges from $0.0776 to $0.1705 if we ignore the Alaska and Hawaii outliers. And even then, the number this lists for Massachusetts is $0.1535 but my bill (in Masachusetts) say $0.1906.... Of course gas prices vary quite widely state to state too.
- dsp1234 10y agoMore specifically, the numbers on that site appear to only include the actual retail price of energy, but does not include other items like fees, distribution charges, and transmission charges. As an example, the 'energy' charge on my electric bill is basically the average for my state (Oregon), but the rate I actually pay is about 50% higher due to other fees.
- ghaff 10y agoRight. In a recent discussion here about electricity consumption, I Googled National Grid's rates and used those. By coincidence, I got an electric bill the next day and realized that National Grid is almost exactly half my electric bill with the balance being the actual supplier of the electricity--so about $0.20/kWh is Massachusetts.
- bzbarsky 10y agoOh, they don't include the distribution/transmission charges? Then they're totally useless; on my bill the transmission charges are larger than my generation charges (transmission is about 60% of my bill; generation is 40%).
- illumin8 10y agoI think his numbers are too high as well. I pay $0.2 per kilowatt hour, and live in one of the most expensive electricity areas in the country. To completely charge the 60 kw/hour battery it will cost me only $12. In many parts of the country, power is much, much cheaper than mine. My friend pays less than $0.10 per kw/h in Georgia, which also has a $5,000 state subsidy (on top of the $7,500 federal subsidy). Do the math with $6 full charge cost and a $12,500 subsidy and it quickly turns in the EVs favor...
- krastanov 10y agoJust a minor note: the unit is "kw multiplied by hour (kW hour)", not "kw per hour (kW/hour)". kW measures power. Hour measures time. Power multiplied by time = total energy.
- jsymolon 10y ago> live in one of the most expensive At .02 ? Nope Annual Average Price per Kilowatthour by State 46 Connecticut 17.76 47 Alaska 17.94 48 Hawaii 26.17
- unethical_ban 10y ago.2 = $0.20/kWh
- illumin8 10y agoI live in CT, and yes, it's 0.2 not 0.02.
- jsymolon 10y ago> live in one of the most expensive At .02 ? Nope Annual Average Price per Kilowatthour by State 46 Connecticut 17.76 47 Alaska 17.94 48 Hawaii 26.17
- wcbeard10 10y ago> Georgia, which also has a $5,000 state subsidy Sadly, this is no longer the case. They've actually gone in the opposite direction, imposing an additional $200 annual fee on EV owners http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/06/24/georgias-electric-vehicle-tax-credit-ends-june-30/ http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2015/06/24/georgias-electric-ve...
- Someone1234 10y agoLocal electricity cost multiplied by the capacity of the battery listed on the Bolt's site (ignoring any inefficiency). Cutting e.g. $3/charge off the cost doesn't really swing the figures towards paying off the Bolt's extra $5.2K starting price over the life of the vehicle.
- sremani 10y agoThis is the height of cherry picking. Bolt at this point is not about dime for dime. Its about a lifestyle. There is reason the top 2 or 3 vehicles with highest customer satisfaction are Tesla S and Volt. Keep the green cred aside, from pure science perspective I am blown away by SolarPV and EV combination. I mean, I produce electricity on my roof top and run the car, and it is cheap, but the ROI takes a long time. Is it great business right now, no. But I am driving on the up to date tech, not a 10 year old tech. I pay 3cents per kwh on the electricity on my solar. The upfront costs are not prohibitive, they are just upfront, and in return, you can sustainable feedback loop, less gas station visits, less oil changes, few moving parts so fewer "unknown" repairs. Regular maintenance is a breeze. The ride is head and shoulder above a mid-lux vehicle.
- lallysingh 10y agoLet's also add the saved time/trip distance in not going to the gas station. But separately, depreciation on EVs is a bit unknown. The powertrain should be good for a very long time - but the battery pack may cancel out any benefit relative to IC cars.
- nickjarboe 10y agoBut with batteries improving, one could have a better car than the original when replacing the battery pack.
- ams6110 10y agoI almost always refuel at a gas station that I'm driving right past anyway, so it's a 5 minute delay not any extra distance. Can your EV fully recharge in 5 minutes? No? Then I think we call it at least a draw in terms of saving time.