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It would be interesting to get a list of thoughtful people supporting Trump. So far I have: - Peter Thiel - Scott Adams - Nassim Taleb?? Who else? Most tho

by cconroy 10y ago

It would be interesting to get a list of thoughtful people supporting Trump. So far I have: - Peter Thiel - Scott Adams - Nassim Taleb?? Who else? Most thoughtful people I follow pick against Trump and more or less believe he is a threat to the Republic. I tend to agree with them mainly because of his attitude toward the press (even though I agree they are biased against him) and his proclivity to violent rhetoric. Edited: formatting Edit: I also want to clarify the biasedness of media was based on Wikileaks coverage and the [0]social media blackout after the Comey's letter to congress. I acknowledge their coverage of him probably helped him. Edit: It is possible Taleb does not support DT, there is no direct evidence of this. I added '??' to him. See this comment https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12838352 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12838352 [0] http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-29/social-media-blackout-fbi-emails-are-not-trending-twitter-facebook-buzzfeed-or-snapc http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-10-29/social-media-blacko...

Analemma_ 10y ago
Scott Adams thinks he is a wizard whose voice has hypnotic mind-control powers, and that the Clinton Foundation personally bankrolls an army of trolls to harass him on Twitter. In other words, he's delusional. He is not in any sense of the term a "thoughtful person"
- adnzzzzZ 10y ago
  >Scott Adams thinks he is a wizard whose voice has hypnotic mind-control powers He thinks Trump is a good persuader. And he is. Trump's use of confirmation bias is very skillful and effective.
  - Analemma_ 10y ago
    That's probably true! But the "he" in my sentence refers to Scott Adams, not Trump. Scott thinks of himself as a brilliant persuader, a theory that is ill-supported by the evidence.
    - MichaelGG 10y ago
      FWIW I've used Scott's arguments to get at least 2 more votes for Trump. Including one from a 20-something girl that was a diehard Bernie supporter. I know, anecdotal. What I find effective is asking people to really state exactly, specifically, what actions Trump himself is going to do that'll lead to the downfall of civilization or whatever they think's going to happen. Clinton's dirty play with Bernie also helps quite a bit. And honestly, the US accepting that kind of thing, openly (as in, act like this, have it exposed, still become president) would be much more damaging to society.
  - gamache 10y ago
    It would seem to me that relying on confirmation bias means he's not much of a persuader at all.
- angry-hacker 10y ago
  Why attack here? You pretty much proved people on the left side do attack him. Did he ever say the people attacking him are paid by Clinton.
  - BryantD 10y ago
    Yes, he did. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152337049156/watch-the-persuasion-battle http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152337049156/watch-the-persuasi... -- "Hordes of either paid or volunteer Twitter trolls descended on me with two specific types of attacks." http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party -- "We also know Clinton’s side hired paid trolls to bully online. You don’t hear much about that." https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791855586870571008 https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791855586870571008 -- "Apparently Clinton's army of paid Hillbullies made her anti-bullying message feel awkward."
    - angry-hacker 10y ago
      You don't have to take everything literally, do you? And Correct the Record did exist.[0] [0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record
      - raesene6 10y ago
        that's hillarious. You asked the commentor for evidence of their claim, they provided it and you responded "ah well don't take it literally" So there's nothing they could've said which would be right there either a) provide no evidence "ah your wrong" or b) provide evidence "ah don't take it literally"...
        angry-hacker 10y ago
        Go ahead and read in what context the tweet was written in. Paid astroturfers is a known fact. Probably for every political candidate nowadays.
- zxcvvcxz 10y ago
  > the Clinton Foundation personally bankrolls an army of trolls to harass him on Twitter. Have you ever heard of "Correct The Record"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record
  - cm2012 10y ago
    Correct the record had a $6 mil budget back in May - not enough to hire trolls. Mostly they identify themselves and link to http://correctrecord.org/ http://correctrecord.org/. They certainly don't waste time trolling cartoonists.
    - 551199 10y ago
      Excuse me, you are saying 9 MIL isn't enough to employ people to troll behalf the campaign? There is a list of all the people working for ctr half or full time provided by the gov. CTR Budget: 9,4MIL[0] [0]https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997 https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997
- alva 10y ago
  "thinks.. Clinton Foundation personally bankrolls an army of trolls to harass him on Twitter. In other words, he's delusional" If you were presented evidence that shows this to be true, would you be opened minded enough to update your beliefs?
  - postcarnival 10y ago
    it's called CTR
  - tim333 10y ago
    I read Scott's stuff and he also complained about the trolls putting bad reviews on amazon. I had a look and there were exactly two bad reviews giving 1* and saying don't buy because he's promoting Trump. I suspect the Twitter thing is similar in that a handful of readers criticize him and he figures that's an army of trolls.
- cconroy 10y ago
  He also said he doesn't want to live in a society were all of its citizens are not covered for healthcare and praised ACA for including more people (~20 mil). And his analysis of Trump seems better than most who claim he is dumb and/or Hitler. I don't agree with Adams nevertheless he is thoughtful.
- sergiotapia 10y ago
  Yeah bullshit. It's been 100% proven the Clinton campaign paid thousands of online bullies to astroturf everywhere from Twitter to 4chan.
  - tim333 10y ago
    [citation needed]
    - sergiotapia 10y ago
      https://correctrecord.org/ https://correctrecord.org/
      - subsection1h 10y ago
        Where precisely is the evidence of that "100% proves" the existence of "thousands of online bullies" that were "paid"?
        ConfuciusSay02 10y ago
        They use the term "correcting the record" instead of trolling and bullying. But it's undeniable that they're spending millions to pay people to post on social media in favor of a candidate (usually without any type of disclosure).
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  He is not in any sense of the term a "thoughtful person" The problem is, there's no inherent contradiction between being "delusional" and being "thoughtful". In fact, throughout history many of the very people generally regarded as having unleashed the greatest amounts of havoc in the world got into positions where they were able to do that precisely because they were able to reconcile these seemingly contradictory traits.
gizmo 10y ago
Those three people are consistent contrarians. Contrarians are of course more likely to support Trump. It's important to remember that being a contrarian is easy, but it's extremely hard to be a contrarian about the right things.
rayiner 10y ago
> attitude toward the press Just because Trump hates the media doesn't mean the media isn't completely obsolete and irrelevant. I thought we were all in agreement that the U.S. media is long overdue to be replaced with reddit/Twitter/HN.
- algorithmsRcool 10y ago
  From a consumption standpoint I could see that. But from a content creation standpoint HN and Reddit lack the expertise, discretion and attention span to provide in-depth reporting and investigation that is critical to uncovering and discouraging corruption.
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mrgordon 10y ago
Define "biased" Its like saying the US media was biased against Hitler. He espouses hateful, racist, sexist, and violent ideas. Its not a case of bias but rather rational distaste and fear.
- angry-hacker 10y ago
  I believe the point is media not digging into Wikileaks' papers. You can compare it when Wikileaks showed Bush's faults -- the media was after it right away. It doesn't take a lot to understand Hillary is corrupted. Watching CNN from over the ocean here it's almost a joke. They only talk about Trump's sex allegations that are not even at the court yet. At the same time you can read from Wikileaks about shady things Hillary is doing, but the breaking news is a pornstar accuses Trump, Trump said that, Trump did a funny face.
  - raesene6 10y ago
    you must watch different media to me. Today is wall-to-wall Clinton E-mail stuff and little about Trump apart from him talking about Clinton's e-mail. The media go with what they think will get the most views/clicks/sales, that tends to be the most outrageous thing they can find. Trump says many outrageous things, ergo he gets more coverage.
    - angry-hacker 10y ago
      Today yes since it's breaking everywhere. During the Wikileaks -- no. Despite it would be a hit to write whatever you find from the documents.
  - MrZongle2 10y ago
    "I believe the point is media not digging into Wikileaks' papers. You can compare it when Wikileaks showed Bush's faults -- the media was after it right away." If nothing else, a Trump presidency would mean the return of investigative journalism on the national level. The "Fourth Estate" has become terribly out of shape in that regard.
zorpner 10y ago
Most thoughtful people I follow pick against Trump and more or less believe he is a threat to the Republic. Thiel clearly also believes this, but he's also quite pro-threat-to-the-Republic.
malchow 10y ago
This isn't terribly useful, but I'll just add that I personally know a number of name-brand academics, investors, and tech people who support him privately.
- cconroy 10y ago
  I agree it isn't useful and you could argue dangerous but I am very curious!
BryantD 10y ago
There's no social media blackout. If you look at trending topics in politics on Facebook, you have Anthony Wiener, Harry Reid, Eric Holder, and Loretta Lynch -- all related to the letter. Twitter Moments is full of related news, especially if you click through to Election 2016. Trending Buzzfeed news is very rarely political.
misiti3780 10y ago
wait - Taleb supports trump ?
- kafkaesq 10y ago
  Yeah, who'd have thought? But according to Tyler Durden (at ZeroHedge), we have the following tweet from his account: "I far prefer Bernie Sanders to Trump but absolutely no Hillary." Followed with: "No SHillary" Which in Tyler's words, "seems to sum it all up perfectly."
  - cconroy 10y ago
    Ok, I could not find that tweet anymore. Perhaps that is a sign of him not supporting DT. I put a question mark next to him. In fact the lack of thoughtful people supporting him is damning in itself.
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551199 10y ago
I'm just a nobody but let me share my story: I thought Trump was a racist who is inciting hate. At some point I read somewhere saying Trump hadn't said what media was reporting. I thought it to be BS and went to see myself. Lo and behold after searching more and more pretty much all the media reporting are false. They are mostly positioned to counter what Trump is saying about Clinton or see what sticks. Trump calling out Bill's rape victims or remember before Clinton campaign was bombarding Trump that he wouldn't get along with Russia. As a side note: It's quite scary to see paulg comparing Trump to Hitler and accusing FBI dir for doing his job. -Read the Podesta emails. Clinton campaign is in bed with mainstream media. -Media coverage is absolutely joke. FBI has been investigating Clinton Foundation for weeks and there is no coverage of that. Should be headline news. -The only campaign inciting hate and violence is the Clinton campaign[0] -Twitter constantly takes down trending hashtags that are created by Trump supporters and are against Clinton. Reddit blocks all pro Trump from /all, check out r/politics not a single negative Clinton story etc. Trump looks like to be the next President and I would recommend doing your own search to see why. [0] Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump: Rallies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY
- postcarnival 10y ago
  +1 MAGA
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- tim333 10y ago
  The [0] video is kind of suspect: http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/donald-trump-foundation-paid-james-okeefe-10000-in-2015-report/ http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/donald-trump-foundation-paid...
- davidw 10y ago
  > -The only campaign inciting hate and violence is the Clinton campaign Not really. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-punch-protester-219655 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-punch-pro... Not to mention the attacks on Muslims, Mexicans and a generally terrible attitude towards women.
PhillyPhuture 10y ago
Sorry, but why hold any of these people out as purveyors of truth? I could rip a apart Thiel, Adams or Taleb on ___(their own dumb kryptonite). For example, listen to Taleb on religion. He's a buffoon. On power laws...very insightful. I see no reason to glorify individuals outside of their domains. Regarding Trump, he's just a Republican, as Hillary is just a Democrat. They are the faces of the machine. This is how most Trump-backers get comfort with Trump. If Trump TRULY TRULY was anti-establishment, he would sound more like Lawrence Lessig and less like Archie Bunker.
- Aloha 10y ago
  I think the core of Trumps message and support base is that the people in power seems to have forgotten about, and left all the Archie Bunkers behind. This seems like a valid argument, and one that I agree with wholeheartedly. As a gay man, I also worry that those of us who fought hard for equality may be trying to close the doors behind us, and prevent some other group from getting there. I can't vote for Trump, largely because I consider him to be a buffoon - but that doesn't mean he's all wrong either. Even idiots sometimes have a good point to make.
  - ZeroGravitas 10y ago
    I don't know if you've been following it but even lifelong Republicans who are gay have decried the new GOP party platform as being the most actively anti-LGBT in the party's history. And Trump has declared that his Supreme Court picks will be based on opposition to marriage equality, so shutting the door to other groups is perhaps the least of your worries.
    - Aloha 10y ago
      I'm aware - but other than for some extreme party loyalists - no one cares. I think the platform is bullshit.

by cconroy 10y ago

Analemma_ 10y ago

Scott Adams thinks he is a wizard whose voice has hypnotic mind-control powers, and that the Clinton Foundation personally bankrolls an army of trolls to harass him on Twitter. In other words, he's delusional. He is not in any sense of the term a "thoughtful person"

adnzzzzZ 10y ago
>Scott Adams thinks he is a wizard whose voice has hypnotic mind-control powers He thinks Trump is a good persuader. And he is. Trump's use of confirmation bias is very skillful and effective.
- Analemma_ 10y ago
  That's probably true! But the "he" in my sentence refers to Scott Adams, not Trump. Scott thinks of himself as a brilliant persuader, a theory that is ill-supported by the evidence.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    FWIW I've used Scott's arguments to get at least 2 more votes for Trump. Including one from a 20-something girl that was a diehard Bernie supporter. I know, anecdotal. What I find effective is asking people to really state exactly, specifically, what actions Trump himself is going to do that'll lead to the downfall of civilization or whatever they think's going to happen. Clinton's dirty play with Bernie also helps quite a bit. And honestly, the US accepting that kind of thing, openly (as in, act like this, have it exposed, still become president) would be much more damaging to society.
- gamache 10y ago
  It would seem to me that relying on confirmation bias means he's not much of a persuader at all.
angry-hacker 10y ago
Why attack here? You pretty much proved people on the left side do attack him. Did he ever say the people attacking him are paid by Clinton.
- BryantD 10y ago
  Yes, he did. http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152337049156/watch-the-persuasion-battle http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152337049156/watch-the-persuasi... -- "Hordes of either paid or volunteer Twitter trolls descended on me with two specific types of attacks." http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party http://blog.dilbert.com/post/152293480726/the-bully-party -- "We also know Clinton’s side hired paid trolls to bully online. You don’t hear much about that." https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791855586870571008 https://twitter.com/ScottAdamsSays/status/791855586870571008 -- "Apparently Clinton's army of paid Hillbullies made her anti-bullying message feel awkward."
  - angry-hacker 10y ago
    You don't have to take everything literally, do you? And Correct the Record did exist.[0] [0]:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record
    - raesene6 10y ago
      that's hillarious. You asked the commentor for evidence of their claim, they provided it and you responded "ah well don't take it literally" So there's nothing they could've said which would be right there either a) provide no evidence "ah your wrong" or b) provide evidence "ah don't take it literally"...
      - angry-hacker 10y ago
        Go ahead and read in what context the tweet was written in. Paid astroturfers is a known fact. Probably for every political candidate nowadays.
zxcvvcxz 10y ago
> the Clinton Foundation personally bankrolls an army of trolls to harass him on Twitter. Have you ever heard of "Correct The Record"? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Brock#Correct_the_Record
- cm2012 10y ago
  Correct the record had a $6 mil budget back in May - not enough to hire trolls. Mostly they identify themselves and link to http://correctrecord.org/ http://correctrecord.org/. They certainly don't waste time trolling cartoonists.
  - 551199 10y ago
    Excuse me, you are saying 9 MIL isn't enough to employ people to troll behalf the campaign? There is a list of all the people working for ctr half or full time provided by the gov. CTR Budget: 9,4MIL[0] [0]https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997 https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00578997
alva 10y ago
"thinks.. Clinton Foundation personally bankrolls an army of trolls to harass him on Twitter. In other words, he's delusional" If you were presented evidence that shows this to be true, would you be opened minded enough to update your beliefs?
- postcarnival 10y ago
  it's called CTR
- tim333 10y ago
  I read Scott's stuff and he also complained about the trolls putting bad reviews on amazon. I had a look and there were exactly two bad reviews giving 1* and saying don't buy because he's promoting Trump. I suspect the Twitter thing is similar in that a handful of readers criticize him and he figures that's an army of trolls.
cconroy 10y ago
He also said he doesn't want to live in a society were all of its citizens are not covered for healthcare and praised ACA for including more people (~20 mil). And his analysis of Trump seems better than most who claim he is dumb and/or Hitler. I don't agree with Adams nevertheless he is thoughtful.
sergiotapia 10y ago
Yeah bullshit. It's been 100% proven the Clinton campaign paid thousands of online bullies to astroturf everywhere from Twitter to 4chan.
- tim333 10y ago
  [citation needed]
  - sergiotapia 10y ago
    https://correctrecord.org/ https://correctrecord.org/
    - subsection1h 10y ago
      Where precisely is the evidence of that "100% proves" the existence of "thousands of online bullies" that were "paid"?
      - ConfuciusSay02 10y ago
        They use the term "correcting the record" instead of trolling and bullying. But it's undeniable that they're spending millions to pay people to post on social media in favor of a candidate (usually without any type of disclosure).
kafkaesq 10y ago
He is not in any sense of the term a "thoughtful person" The problem is, there's no inherent contradiction between being "delusional" and being "thoughtful". In fact, throughout history many of the very people generally regarded as having unleashed the greatest amounts of havoc in the world got into positions where they were able to do that precisely because they were able to reconcile these seemingly contradictory traits.

gizmo 10y ago

Those three people are consistent contrarians. Contrarians are of course more likely to support Trump. It's important to remember that being a contrarian is easy, but it's extremely hard to be a contrarian about the right things.

rayiner 10y ago

> attitude toward the press Just because Trump hates the media doesn't mean the media isn't completely obsolete and irrelevant. I thought we were all in agreement that the U.S. media is long overdue to be replaced with reddit/Twitter/HN.

algorithmsRcool 10y ago
From a consumption standpoint I could see that. But from a content creation standpoint HN and Reddit lack the expertise, discretion and attention span to provide in-depth reporting and investigation that is critical to uncovering and discouraging corruption.

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mrgordon 10y ago

Define "biased" Its like saying the US media was biased against Hitler. He espouses hateful, racist, sexist, and violent ideas. Its not a case of bias but rather rational distaste and fear.

angry-hacker 10y ago
I believe the point is media not digging into Wikileaks' papers. You can compare it when Wikileaks showed Bush's faults -- the media was after it right away. It doesn't take a lot to understand Hillary is corrupted. Watching CNN from over the ocean here it's almost a joke. They only talk about Trump's sex allegations that are not even at the court yet. At the same time you can read from Wikileaks about shady things Hillary is doing, but the breaking news is a pornstar accuses Trump, Trump said that, Trump did a funny face.
- raesene6 10y ago
  you must watch different media to me. Today is wall-to-wall Clinton E-mail stuff and little about Trump apart from him talking about Clinton's e-mail. The media go with what they think will get the most views/clicks/sales, that tends to be the most outrageous thing they can find. Trump says many outrageous things, ergo he gets more coverage.
  - angry-hacker 10y ago
    Today yes since it's breaking everywhere. During the Wikileaks -- no. Despite it would be a hit to write whatever you find from the documents.
- MrZongle2 10y ago
  "I believe the point is media not digging into Wikileaks' papers. You can compare it when Wikileaks showed Bush's faults -- the media was after it right away." If nothing else, a Trump presidency would mean the return of investigative journalism on the national level. The "Fourth Estate" has become terribly out of shape in that regard.

zorpner 10y ago

Most thoughtful people I follow pick against Trump and more or less believe he is a threat to the Republic. Thiel clearly also believes this, but he's also quite pro-threat-to-the-Republic.

malchow 10y ago

This isn't terribly useful, but I'll just add that I personally know a number of name-brand academics, investors, and tech people who support him privately.

cconroy 10y ago
I agree it isn't useful and you could argue dangerous but I am very curious!

BryantD 10y ago

There's no social media blackout. If you look at trending topics in politics on Facebook, you have Anthony Wiener, Harry Reid, Eric Holder, and Loretta Lynch -- all related to the letter. Twitter Moments is full of related news, especially if you click through to Election 2016. Trending Buzzfeed news is very rarely political.

misiti3780 10y ago

wait - Taleb supports trump ?

kafkaesq 10y ago
Yeah, who'd have thought? But according to Tyler Durden (at ZeroHedge), we have the following tweet from his account: "I far prefer Bernie Sanders to Trump but absolutely no Hillary." Followed with: "No SHillary" Which in Tyler's words, "seems to sum it all up perfectly."
- cconroy 10y ago
  Ok, I could not find that tweet anymore. Perhaps that is a sign of him not supporting DT. I put a question mark next to him. In fact the lack of thoughtful people supporting him is damning in itself.

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551199 10y ago

I'm just a nobody but let me share my story: I thought Trump was a racist who is inciting hate. At some point I read somewhere saying Trump hadn't said what media was reporting. I thought it to be BS and went to see myself. Lo and behold after searching more and more pretty much all the media reporting are false. They are mostly positioned to counter what Trump is saying about Clinton or see what sticks. Trump calling out Bill's rape victims or remember before Clinton campaign was bombarding Trump that he wouldn't get along with Russia. As a side note: It's quite scary to see paulg comparing Trump to Hitler and accusing FBI dir for doing his job. -Read the Podesta emails. Clinton campaign is in bed with mainstream media. -Media coverage is absolutely joke. FBI has been investigating Clinton Foundation for weeks and there is no coverage of that. Should be headline news. -The only campaign inciting hate and violence is the Clinton campaign[0] -Twitter constantly takes down trending hashtags that are created by Trump supporters and are against Clinton. Reddit blocks all pro Trump from /all, check out r/politics not a single negative Clinton story etc. Trump looks like to be the next President and I would recommend doing your own search to see why. [0] Video I: Clinton Campaign and DNC Incite Violence at Trump: Rallies https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5IuJGHuIkzY

postcarnival 10y ago
+1 MAGA
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tim333 10y ago
The [0] video is kind of suspect: http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/donald-trump-foundation-paid-james-okeefe-10000-in-2015-report/ http://www.salon.com/2016/10/21/donald-trump-foundation-paid...
davidw 10y ago
> -The only campaign inciting hate and violence is the Clinton campaign Not really. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-punch-protester-219655 http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/donald-trump-punch-pro... Not to mention the attacks on Muslims, Mexicans and a generally terrible attitude towards women.

PhillyPhuture 10y ago

Sorry, but why hold any of these people out as purveyors of truth? I could rip a apart Thiel, Adams or Taleb on ___(their own dumb kryptonite). For example, listen to Taleb on religion. He's a buffoon. On power laws...very insightful. I see no reason to glorify individuals outside of their domains. Regarding Trump, he's just a Republican, as Hillary is just a Democrat. They are the faces of the machine. This is how most Trump-backers get comfort with Trump. If Trump TRULY TRULY was anti-establishment, he would sound more like Lawrence Lessig and less like Archie Bunker.

Aloha 10y ago
I think the core of Trumps message and support base is that the people in power seems to have forgotten about, and left all the Archie Bunkers behind. This seems like a valid argument, and one that I agree with wholeheartedly. As a gay man, I also worry that those of us who fought hard for equality may be trying to close the doors behind us, and prevent some other group from getting there. I can't vote for Trump, largely because I consider him to be a buffoon - but that doesn't mean he's all wrong either. Even idiots sometimes have a good point to make.
- ZeroGravitas 10y ago
  I don't know if you've been following it but even lifelong Republicans who are gay have decried the new GOP party platform as being the most actively anti-LGBT in the party's history. And Trump has declared that his Supreme Court picks will be based on opposition to marriage equality, so shutting the door to other groups is perhaps the least of your worries.
  - Aloha 10y ago
    I'm aware - but other than for some extreme party loyalists - no one cares. I think the platform is bullshit.