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Well, there seems to be tremendous support behind what he is saying. The chat is exploding. My favorite takeaway so far: [Thiel on Trump] "The media always ta

by gragas 10y ago

Well, there seems to be tremendous support behind what he is saying. The chat is exploding. My favorite takeaway so far: [Thiel on Trump] "The media always takes him literally, but never seriously. I think his supporters take him seriously, but never literally."

BryantD 10y ago
A snapshot of comments from the chat: "Hillary's only claim to fame is she is the only woman not to suck Bill's cock. " "god this interviewer. CUCKED" "FBI Stumbled onto Huma's INS Policy to keep her from being Vince Fostered... 53 dead around hillary makes the mob look like Pikers." "Liberals think Taxes are more important than Hillary Butchering People!!!! Really?! Wake up peeps" "Wikileaks will ultimately put the Clintons in prison and will hopefully allow President Trump to prosecute the entire Obama administration past and present!"
- forloop 10y ago
  cherrypicked
- TheDrizzle43 10y ago
  What an inspirational group of people.
- gragas 10y ago
  Let me reiterate Thiel's quote, which I think perfectly describes this situation: "The media always takes him literally, but never seriously. I think his supporters take him seriously, but never literally." Most of Trump's HIGH ENERGY comes from him and his supporters saying over-exaggerated things. Everyone who supports him understands that these things are over the top, but they agree with the basic sentiment behind them. Most people who dislike Trump, however, take everything he and his supporters say literally. This is a mistake.
  - radarsat1 10y ago
    There are plenty of people who dislike the basic sentiment behind many things that Trump has said.
    - gragas 10y ago
      Sure. And there are more than one hundred million Americans who disagree with the basic sentiment behind what Hillary says.
      - radarsat1 10y ago
        So... what are you saying then?
  - crispyambulance 10y ago
    You're right that is a mistake. Knowingly or not, Trump has played the media like a fiddle, giving them tons of useless grist in which to spin their wheels in exchange for the equivalent of a Billion dollars in media time which he has used shrewdly to build up his base.
    - MichaelGG 10y ago
      This is the other excellent outcome. People trust the news, they eat it up. Trump has shown it to be a farce, a circus (thinking of the tape he leaked a few months ago that got him a full day of coverage about absolutely nothing). This can only be a good thing, although perhaps I'm overestimating the number of people that will actually change habits.
      - scott_s 10y ago
        I think you are making two claims, but I want to make sure. Are you claiming that: 1. Trump himself leaked the Access Hollywood recording; and 2. There was nothing relevant in the Access Hollywood recording. The Access Hollywood recording came out at the beginning of this month, so I'm not sure if that's the one you're referring to.
- pdog 10y ago
  YouTube comments are terrible. What's your point?
  - BryantD 10y ago
    My point is that "Well, there seems to be tremendous support behind what he is saying. The chat is exploding." doesn't tell us much. Who cares if the chat is exploding? It's exploding with comments like that.
augustt 10y ago
If you were wondering where "deplorable" came from, look no further than that chat.
MichaelGG 10y ago
It astounds me how people have set it up in their minds. One friend from SF, who was incredibly anti war, who earlier said Trump was dangerous because he'd start a war, actually said "It's not like we'd really go to war with Russia, it'd just be a proxy war like Vietnam" -- as a reason for why Clinton will be an OK choice. The accuracy of the comment doesn't matter, but the fact people are willing to accept it is mind boggling. And then I've been told I can't understand, can't have a real opinion, etc. cause I'm a white guy and thus too privileged for my mind to comprehend things correctly. Even on HN, the yc guys actually said they cannot understand how Thiel can support Trump. If you find yourself saying that, it indicates your understanding is deficient, not the other way around. It annoys me because this lack of critical thinking is going to cause a huge backlash and I'm afraid some positive liberal values could be collateral damage.
- remarkEon 10y ago
  > If you find yourself saying that, it indicates your understanding is deficient, not the other way around. My philosophy professor used to give us a ethical debate prompt, and we'd develop our initial positions. Then he'd have us argue the opposite position. Extremely helpful exercise.
- vehementi 10y ago
  "I can't understand how he can support him" doesn't literally mean "I do not perceive the facts", it is "I find it incredible that he holds weights on various factors such that he made a list of pros and cons, calculated the net value based on the factors' weights, and came to the conclusion that supporting Trump is net good in this situation". For example if someone's weights are: disruptor, 100 shows signs of insanity, 0.1 then I can "understand" that they support DT. I can't understand why they choose to weigh certain factors like that.

by gragas 10y ago

BryantD 10y ago

A snapshot of comments from the chat: "Hillary's only claim to fame is she is the only woman not to suck Bill's cock. " "god this interviewer. CUCKED" "FBI Stumbled onto Huma's INS Policy to keep her from being Vince Fostered... 53 dead around hillary makes the mob look like Pikers." "Liberals think Taxes are more important than Hillary Butchering People!!!! Really?! Wake up peeps" "Wikileaks will ultimately put the Clintons in prison and will hopefully allow President Trump to prosecute the entire Obama administration past and present!"

forloop 10y ago
cherrypicked
TheDrizzle43 10y ago
What an inspirational group of people.
gragas 10y ago
Let me reiterate Thiel's quote, which I think perfectly describes this situation: "The media always takes him literally, but never seriously. I think his supporters take him seriously, but never literally." Most of Trump's HIGH ENERGY comes from him and his supporters saying over-exaggerated things. Everyone who supports him understands that these things are over the top, but they agree with the basic sentiment behind them. Most people who dislike Trump, however, take everything he and his supporters say literally. This is a mistake.
- radarsat1 10y ago
  There are plenty of people who dislike the basic sentiment behind many things that Trump has said.
  - gragas 10y ago
    Sure. And there are more than one hundred million Americans who disagree with the basic sentiment behind what Hillary says.
    - radarsat1 10y ago
      So... what are you saying then?
- crispyambulance 10y ago
  You're right that is a mistake. Knowingly or not, Trump has played the media like a fiddle, giving them tons of useless grist in which to spin their wheels in exchange for the equivalent of a Billion dollars in media time which he has used shrewdly to build up his base.
  - MichaelGG 10y ago
    This is the other excellent outcome. People trust the news, they eat it up. Trump has shown it to be a farce, a circus (thinking of the tape he leaked a few months ago that got him a full day of coverage about absolutely nothing). This can only be a good thing, although perhaps I'm overestimating the number of people that will actually change habits.
    - scott_s 10y ago
      I think you are making two claims, but I want to make sure. Are you claiming that: 1. Trump himself leaked the Access Hollywood recording; and 2. There was nothing relevant in the Access Hollywood recording. The Access Hollywood recording came out at the beginning of this month, so I'm not sure if that's the one you're referring to.
pdog 10y ago
YouTube comments are terrible. What's your point?
- BryantD 10y ago
  My point is that "Well, there seems to be tremendous support behind what he is saying. The chat is exploding." doesn't tell us much. Who cares if the chat is exploding? It's exploding with comments like that.

augustt 10y ago

If you were wondering where "deplorable" came from, look no further than that chat.

MichaelGG 10y ago

It astounds me how people have set it up in their minds. One friend from SF, who was incredibly anti war, who earlier said Trump was dangerous because he'd start a war, actually said "It's not like we'd really go to war with Russia, it'd just be a proxy war like Vietnam" -- as a reason for why Clinton will be an OK choice. The accuracy of the comment doesn't matter, but the fact people are willing to accept it is mind boggling. And then I've been told I can't understand, can't have a real opinion, etc. cause I'm a white guy and thus too privileged for my mind to comprehend things correctly. Even on HN, the yc guys actually said they cannot understand how Thiel can support Trump. If you find yourself saying that, it indicates your understanding is deficient, not the other way around. It annoys me because this lack of critical thinking is going to cause a huge backlash and I'm afraid some positive liberal values could be collateral damage.

remarkEon 10y ago
> If you find yourself saying that, it indicates your understanding is deficient, not the other way around. My philosophy professor used to give us a ethical debate prompt, and we'd develop our initial positions. Then he'd have us argue the opposite position. Extremely helpful exercise.
vehementi 10y ago
"I can't understand how he can support him" doesn't literally mean "I do not perceive the facts", it is "I find it incredible that he holds weights on various factors such that he made a list of pros and cons, calculated the net value based on the factors' weights, and came to the conclusion that supporting Trump is net good in this situation". For example if someone's weights are: disruptor, 100 shows signs of insanity, 0.1 then I can "understand" that they support DT. I can't understand why they choose to weigh certain factors like that.