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It will trash the short new and used EV market less than 200, Leaf, i3 etc. Even now the depreciation on Leafs are crazy, and this just makes it more so. The w

by mr337 10y ago

It will trash the short new and used EV market less than 200, Leaf, i3 etc. Even now the depreciation on Leafs are crazy, and this just makes it more so. The way I look at it right now the EV market is like fast moving computers, everyone is scared to buy in that they will miss the next upgrade and have buyers remorse, and that is the 200m mark. This just confirms it.

aetherson 10y ago
My father was leasing a Leaf. He just leased a new one, brand new, otherwise identical to the one he had before, and substantially lowered his (already insanely low) lease payments. If I were in a two-car household, I'd probably make a Leaf my second car right now because, for all that it's a way worse first car than a 200 mile range EV, it's not much worse of a second car, and the cost pressure downward on it is insane right now.
- mr337 10y ago
  Agreed, I bought a used one with 25K miles for $10k about 14 months ago. The pricing is even worse now and for our family it has become our primary car, we are putting around 2500 miles each month and drive our ICE twice a month. I'm a bit worried about the battery but looks like I'll be getting it replaced before the battery capacity warranty is up (60k miles).
  - mrfusion 10y ago
    Why are you getting the battery replaced? Expensive? Are you noticing range fallling?
    - mr337 10y ago
      Yup, I'm at 76% of the original capacity, and that makes a huge difference running heat or doing highway miles. Out of warranty, to get a new battery, you don't get to keep the core, is $5,500. That warranty runs out at 60K miles. I was delighted to see the Bolt warrantied for 100K miles but will need to look at the details to see if that covers accelerated capacity degradation.
      - djrogers 10y ago
        Ack - 25% capacity drop in 25k miles? Is that normal for leafs, or did the PO have particularly poor driving habits?
        antisthenes 10y ago
        25,000 miles is about 300 full cycle recharges for a Leaf. That is definitely the cycle number where you'll start to see a capacity drop, but 25% still seems very high for that range. First and 2nd gen batteries will generally have to be replaced around 600 +-10% cycles. It's 'normal' for all pure EV vehicles - so the durability of the battery pack is directly proportional to its capacity.

by mr337 10y ago

aetherson 10y ago

My father was leasing a Leaf. He just leased a new one, brand new, otherwise identical to the one he had before, and substantially lowered his (already insanely low) lease payments. If I were in a two-car household, I'd probably make a Leaf my second car right now because, for all that it's a way worse first car than a 200 mile range EV, it's not much worse of a second car, and the cost pressure downward on it is insane right now.

mr337 10y ago
Agreed, I bought a used one with 25K miles for $10k about 14 months ago. The pricing is even worse now and for our family it has become our primary car, we are putting around 2500 miles each month and drive our ICE twice a month. I'm a bit worried about the battery but looks like I'll be getting it replaced before the battery capacity warranty is up (60k miles).
- mrfusion 10y ago
  Why are you getting the battery replaced? Expensive? Are you noticing range fallling?
  - mr337 10y ago
    Yup, I'm at 76% of the original capacity, and that makes a huge difference running heat or doing highway miles. Out of warranty, to get a new battery, you don't get to keep the core, is $5,500. That warranty runs out at 60K miles. I was delighted to see the Bolt warrantied for 100K miles but will need to look at the details to see if that covers accelerated capacity degradation.
    - djrogers 10y ago
      Ack - 25% capacity drop in 25k miles? Is that normal for leafs, or did the PO have particularly poor driving habits?
      - antisthenes 10y ago
        25,000 miles is about 300 full cycle recharges for a Leaf. That is definitely the cycle number where you'll start to see a capacity drop, but 25% still seems very high for that range. First and 2nd gen batteries will generally have to be replaced around 600 +-10% cycles. It's 'normal' for all pure EV vehicles - so the durability of the battery pack is directly proportional to its capacity.