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Watching now. Pretty surreal Will he end on a positive note or send countless liberal techies to the self-medication cabinet this afternoon??

gragas 10y ago
Hopefully send countless liberal techies to the self-medication cabinet. The fact that anyone can call this man a bigot is beyond me.
- msbot 10y ago
  I can, and so can women. "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...
  - TenOhms 10y ago
    Isn't he saying that the welfare programs have effectively subverted democracy by locking certain people (and women especially) into a certain constituency group, which once locked, are extremely difficult to escape (and those people's vote are extremely easy to manipulate)?
    - msbot 10y ago
      He's also citing the inclusion of women's right to vote. To even question a demographic's right like that makes him incredibly suspect in my eyes.
      - nanistheonlyist 10y ago
        If you are not subject to the draft then those that are should not be subjected to your vote.
        Jtsummers 10y ago
        > If you are not subject to the draft then those that are should not be subjected to your vote. Makes sense. Only 18-25 year old, healthy men should be able to vote. Totally makes sense.
        remarkEon 10y ago
        "Service Guarantees Citizenship."
        tanderson92 10y ago
        Even unhealthy males must register with the selective service[1]. Furthermore, males who are now over the age of 25 must have been registered at one point (excepting those born prior to 1960). The point made by nanistheonlyist broadly holds. [1]: https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration
        Jtsummers 10y ago
        Even so, they aren't truly subject to it for this purpose. And the idea that only those subject to the draft should be voting is absurd as it neglects the rest of the current military. Along with neglecting every issue that's effected by voting (well, by our representatives) that aren't military/war. Everyone in this country is a stakeholder in these elections.
        tanderson92 10y ago
        I would rephrase it to be "only those at risk of dying in a foreign military conflict" should, in a just world, vote on matters of international "engagement" (the euphemism pols like to use). It's not an irrational position as long as we have the draft. True all people in the country are stakeholders but not all are similarly exposed to the risks of war (the military is primarily poor and filled with minorities--but that's a separate issue). Fortunately women will soon be required to register with the selective service so this critique will be outdated.
      - rayiner 10y ago
        Thiel isn't questioning womens' right to vote. The statement is descriptive, not normative. Consider the statement: "The fact that Louisiana and Alabama have votes in U.S. elections means that policies like DADT and DOMA survived much longer than they otherwise would have." The most reasonable construction of that statement is not: "People in Louisiana and Alabama shouldn't be allowed to vote."
      - throwaway76543 10y ago
        He isn't questioning it. He's reasoning about its effects. I think everyone agrees about those effects, don't they?

gragas 10y ago

Hopefully send countless liberal techies to the self-medication cabinet. The fact that anyone can call this man a bigot is beyond me.

msbot 10y ago
I can, and so can women. "Since 1920, the vast increase in welfare beneficiaries and the extension of the franchise to women — two constituencies that are notoriously tough for libertarians — have rendered the notion of “capitalist democracy” into an oxymoron." https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/education-libertarian https://www.cato-unbound.org/2009/04/13/peter-thiel/educatio...
- TenOhms 10y ago
  Isn't he saying that the welfare programs have effectively subverted democracy by locking certain people (and women especially) into a certain constituency group, which once locked, are extremely difficult to escape (and those people's vote are extremely easy to manipulate)?
  - msbot 10y ago
    He's also citing the inclusion of women's right to vote. To even question a demographic's right like that makes him incredibly suspect in my eyes.
    - nanistheonlyist 10y ago
      If you are not subject to the draft then those that are should not be subjected to your vote.
      - Jtsummers 10y ago
        > If you are not subject to the draft then those that are should not be subjected to your vote. Makes sense. Only 18-25 year old, healthy men should be able to vote. Totally makes sense.
        remarkEon 10y ago
        "Service Guarantees Citizenship."
        tanderson92 10y ago
        Even unhealthy males must register with the selective service[1]. Furthermore, males who are now over the age of 25 must have been registered at one point (excepting those born prior to 1960). The point made by nanistheonlyist broadly holds. [1]: https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration https://www.sss.gov/Registration-Info/Who-Registration
        Jtsummers 10y ago
        Even so, they aren't truly subject to it for this purpose. And the idea that only those subject to the draft should be voting is absurd as it neglects the rest of the current military. Along with neglecting every issue that's effected by voting (well, by our representatives) that aren't military/war. Everyone in this country is a stakeholder in these elections.
        tanderson92 10y ago
        I would rephrase it to be "only those at risk of dying in a foreign military conflict" should, in a just world, vote on matters of international "engagement" (the euphemism pols like to use). It's not an irrational position as long as we have the draft. True all people in the country are stakeholders but not all are similarly exposed to the risks of war (the military is primarily poor and filled with minorities--but that's a separate issue). Fortunately women will soon be required to register with the selective service so this critique will be outdated.
    - rayiner 10y ago
      Thiel isn't questioning womens' right to vote. The statement is descriptive, not normative. Consider the statement: "The fact that Louisiana and Alabama have votes in U.S. elections means that policies like DADT and DOMA survived much longer than they otherwise would have." The most reasonable construction of that statement is not: "People in Louisiana and Alabama shouldn't be allowed to vote."
    - throwaway76543 10y ago
      He isn't questioning it. He's reasoning about its effects. I think everyone agrees about those effects, don't they?