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> I would be willing to bet that within a decade you HAPPILY buy a phone without a headphone jack, whether that be an Android or iPhone. Is there a site we can

by zeveb 10y ago

> I would be willing to bet that within a decade you HAPPILY buy a phone without a headphone jack, whether that be an Android or iPhone. Is there a site we can legally use to register that bet? I'd be interested in taking it. I honestly don't think that the headphone jack will ever go away. Wireless audio is like wireless internet, in that it's better than nothing but worse than something with wires and a stable connexion. I daresay you're correct that Apple think they're right, but … I think they're wrong. The question is, can they remain irrational longer than the rest of the market can be rational? I _think_, given Android's market success, that they ultimately can't: Apple have made too many mistakes in too short a timespan. But only time will tell.

zeven7 10y ago
> Wireless audio is like wireless internet, in > that it's better than nothing but worse than > something with wires and a stable connexion. From my perspective, wired internet has effectively gone away. I haven't plugged anything other than a wireless router into a physical ethernet connection in years.
- Grishnakh 10y ago
  You obviously don't work in any kind of office. Wired Ethernet is still the norm for good reason: having hundreds or thousands of PCs in one building fighting over WiFi spectrum would be incredibly stupid and inefficient and slow.
  - dexterdog 10y ago
    It's getting problematic in the home as well.
  - zeven7 10y ago
    In a startup now. Worked at a 800 person tech company 4 years ago. All laptops, all wireless (at least on my team -- I'm sure there were people that were plugged in somewhere). Worked at a much larger tech company 1 year ago. Had a desktop that was plugged in, so there's that. Guess I overstated (though I can't say I actually did plug it in myself). Also had a laptop that I worked on over wireless without problems. There were 5k-10k people in that office. Still I do almost everything over wireless.
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qmalzp 10y ago
I was seriously considering switching to iPhone for my next phone after my S.O. had a terrible experience with Google customer support, but my car doesn't have Bluetooth. I don't plan on getting a new car for at least another 5 years, so if I want to listen to music in my car, iPhone is ruled out.
- zimpenfish 10y ago
  If it has a 3.5mm input socket, there are many Bluetooth to 3.5mm receivers that would work (like this TaoTronics TT-BA08 I'm using right now). Obviously if you don't have a 3.5mm jack, that doesn't help.
- lloeki 10y ago
  Guess what, I switched, only I bought a 6s instead of a 7. It's not like you could pretend the 6s is a useless slab overnight.
- dpark 10y ago
  If you're going to leave a cable in your car (I'm assuming that's the plan) just leave a lightning to 3.5mm cable.
  - zimpenfish 10y ago
    Which the iPhone 7 handily comes with (and clones are readily available on Amazon although YMMV as to their quality, obvs.)
- __david__ 10y ago
  Why? My car doesn't have Bluetooth and my iPhone 7 works just fine, and charges while listening to music and everything. There are already headphone/charging splitters you can get on amazon made just for the 7 (though I'm still using the same setup as my 6).
- hollander 10y ago
  You don't have to buy a new car to get a different radio. And if your car has a 3,5mm jacket (here we go! ;-), you could use the Chromecast Audio to cast to the car radio with your new iphone without that 3,5mm jacket. You need a local wifi network for the CC, so you have to setup a wifi hotspot with your phone. Then you make the connection. The downside is that you cannot use car stereo buttons to skip to the next song. And you probably need double usb-charging for the CC and the phone. That's quite a lot of work to setup each and every drive, but for longer drives it might be a good option.
krisoft 10y ago
Maybe longbets? http://longbets.org/ http://longbets.org/ I think they are legal, because the winnings doesn't go to the participants, but to a charity of the winners choosing.
- wpietri 10y ago
  Exactly correct! Long ago I wrote the LongBets software and am still involved in the Long Now, so I'm happy to facilitate registering a bet between people on this topic; just email me. At this point we've been up for 14 years. If we're good enough for Warren Buffet's million-dollar bet [1], I'd say we can handle this bet too. [1] http://longbets.org/362/ http://longbets.org/362/
  - zeveb 10y ago
    Any way to use a pseudonym? I'm happy to throw $200 bucks into the pot.
    - wpietri 10y ago
      If you can find a counterparty and that's the only way to get the bet done, I'm glad to ask. But the theory of Long Bets is as a registry for accountable predictions. Accountability is tied to identity. So my guess is that they'd say yes for a well-known pseudonym with a body of work, like Lewis Carroll or Voltaire, but would say no for a throwaway name.
shliachtx 10y ago
> Is there a site we can legally use to register that bet? I'd be interested in taking it. http://longbets.org http://longbets.org. Also the site Warren Buffet used to bet that he could beat hedge funds with the S&P 500.
- zeveb 10y ago
  That looks pretty cool, but requires one use one's real name. Any anonymous, legal long-term bet site? Sorry to raise the bar …
aembleton 10y ago
> Is there a site we can legally use to register that bet? I'd be interested in taking it. I don't know of any website that let you place a bet like that, but you could probably place it at a bookmakers.
kayoone 10y ago
I have been using a good pair of bluetooth headphones for over a year and am perfectly happy with them, Audio quality is never an issue with a2dp. Likewise after getting a decent 802.11ac router that provides stable 5GHz Wifi way faster than what my 100Mbps internet connection can provide, I haven't used wired ethernet for ages, apart from wiring my NAS to the router. 10 years is a long time, very sure the Audio Jack will be gone by then or a rarity like Vinyl today.
chaosfox 10y ago
>I honestly don't think that the headphone jack will ever go away. regardless of the claim, you are just setting yourself up for failure when you make unbound claims like that, nothing lasts forever.
dpark 10y ago
> Wireless audio is like wireless internet, in that it's better than nothing but worse than something with wires and a stable connexion It depends on what factors you value. Wired beats wireless for reliability and speed. It gets crushed for convenience, though. My home wireless is really spotty. I want to run Ethernet to several locations... in order to install more access points.

by zeveb 10y ago

zeven7 10y ago

> Wireless audio is like wireless internet, in > that it's better than nothing but worse than > something with wires and a stable connexion. From my perspective, wired internet has effectively gone away. I haven't plugged anything other than a wireless router into a physical ethernet connection in years.

Grishnakh 10y ago
You obviously don't work in any kind of office. Wired Ethernet is still the norm for good reason: having hundreds or thousands of PCs in one building fighting over WiFi spectrum would be incredibly stupid and inefficient and slow.
- dexterdog 10y ago
  It's getting problematic in the home as well.
- zeven7 10y ago
  In a startup now. Worked at a 800 person tech company 4 years ago. All laptops, all wireless (at least on my team -- I'm sure there were people that were plugged in somewhere). Worked at a much larger tech company 1 year ago. Had a desktop that was plugged in, so there's that. Guess I overstated (though I can't say I actually did plug it in myself). Also had a laptop that I worked on over wireless without problems. There were 5k-10k people in that office. Still I do almost everything over wireless.
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qmalzp 10y ago

I was seriously considering switching to iPhone for my next phone after my S.O. had a terrible experience with Google customer support, but my car doesn't have Bluetooth. I don't plan on getting a new car for at least another 5 years, so if I want to listen to music in my car, iPhone is ruled out.

zimpenfish 10y ago
If it has a 3.5mm input socket, there are many Bluetooth to 3.5mm receivers that would work (like this TaoTronics TT-BA08 I'm using right now). Obviously if you don't have a 3.5mm jack, that doesn't help.
lloeki 10y ago
Guess what, I switched, only I bought a 6s instead of a 7. It's not like you could pretend the 6s is a useless slab overnight.
dpark 10y ago
If you're going to leave a cable in your car (I'm assuming that's the plan) just leave a lightning to 3.5mm cable.
- zimpenfish 10y ago
  Which the iPhone 7 handily comes with (and clones are readily available on Amazon although YMMV as to their quality, obvs.)
__david__ 10y ago
Why? My car doesn't have Bluetooth and my iPhone 7 works just fine, and charges while listening to music and everything. There are already headphone/charging splitters you can get on amazon made just for the 7 (though I'm still using the same setup as my 6).
hollander 10y ago
You don't have to buy a new car to get a different radio. And if your car has a 3,5mm jacket (here we go! ;-), you could use the Chromecast Audio to cast to the car radio with your new iphone without that 3,5mm jacket. You need a local wifi network for the CC, so you have to setup a wifi hotspot with your phone. Then you make the connection. The downside is that you cannot use car stereo buttons to skip to the next song. And you probably need double usb-charging for the CC and the phone. That's quite a lot of work to setup each and every drive, but for longer drives it might be a good option.

krisoft 10y ago

Maybe longbets? http://longbets.org/ http://longbets.org/ I think they are legal, because the winnings doesn't go to the participants, but to a charity of the winners choosing.

wpietri 10y ago
Exactly correct! Long ago I wrote the LongBets software and am still involved in the Long Now, so I'm happy to facilitate registering a bet between people on this topic; just email me. At this point we've been up for 14 years. If we're good enough for Warren Buffet's million-dollar bet [1], I'd say we can handle this bet too. [1] http://longbets.org/362/ http://longbets.org/362/
- zeveb 10y ago
  Any way to use a pseudonym? I'm happy to throw $200 bucks into the pot.
  - wpietri 10y ago
    If you can find a counterparty and that's the only way to get the bet done, I'm glad to ask. But the theory of Long Bets is as a registry for accountable predictions. Accountability is tied to identity. So my guess is that they'd say yes for a well-known pseudonym with a body of work, like Lewis Carroll or Voltaire, but would say no for a throwaway name.

shliachtx 10y ago

> Is there a site we can legally use to register that bet? I'd be interested in taking it. http://longbets.org http://longbets.org. Also the site Warren Buffet used to bet that he could beat hedge funds with the S&P 500.

zeveb 10y ago
That looks pretty cool, but requires one use one's real name. Any anonymous, legal long-term bet site? Sorry to raise the bar …

aembleton 10y ago

> Is there a site we can legally use to register that bet? I'd be interested in taking it. I don't know of any website that let you place a bet like that, but you could probably place it at a bookmakers.

kayoone 10y ago

I have been using a good pair of bluetooth headphones for over a year and am perfectly happy with them, Audio quality is never an issue with a2dp. Likewise after getting a decent 802.11ac router that provides stable 5GHz Wifi way faster than what my 100Mbps internet connection can provide, I haven't used wired ethernet for ages, apart from wiring my NAS to the router. 10 years is a long time, very sure the Audio Jack will be gone by then or a rarity like Vinyl today.

chaosfox 10y ago

>I honestly don't think that the headphone jack will ever go away. regardless of the claim, you are just setting yourself up for failure when you make unbound claims like that, nothing lasts forever.

dpark 10y ago

> Wireless audio is like wireless internet, in that it's better than nothing but worse than something with wires and a stable connexion It depends on what factors you value. Wired beats wireless for reliability and speed. It gets crushed for convenience, though. My home wireless is really spotty. I want to run Ethernet to several locations... in order to install more access points.