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I just want to meet the consumer who looked at the old MBP and thought, "wow this is far too thick!". And the same goes for cell phones. Thinner is better, but

by toxican 10y ago

I just want to meet the consumer who looked at the old MBP and thought, "wow this is far too thick!". And the same goes for cell phones. Thinner is better, but only to a certain point and certainly not at the expense of battery life and features.

strange_quark 10y ago
Ok I'll bite. I'd like the power of the 15" MBP, but after having the 15" in 2008 which I found to be too heavy to carry with me in my bag constantly, I've always bought the 13" Mac laptop (had a 2011 Air, now a 2015 Pro). I find the current 13" Pro to be about as heavy as I would like to comfortable carry in my backpack for hours at a time. I appreciate that the new 15" MBP is only .5 lbs heaver than the current 13" Pro which makes it a real option for me.
- adamors 10y ago
  Yeah, I agree. I have a 15" MBP from 2008 and that thing is heavy. Was eyeing the 13" only for the weight.
- bennyg 10y ago
  The real question: If the new 15" MBP was the same weight as last generation and included the new Kaby Lake processor, more RAM, better battery, etc. would you pass on it for the weight?
  - lmm 10y ago
    You could say that about every feature though. If they hadn't bothered improving the battery but had refreshed the processor, RAM, and dropped the weight, would you pass on that just for the battery? Each individual feature is going to be marginal for most users, but together they add up to making the upgrade worthwhile.
- et-al 10y ago
  That's why there used to be two lines: the Air and the Pro. The new MBPs announced the past week feel more like ultraportable machines versus potential desktop-replacement workhouses. If Apple had the same announcement last week, but instead of calling MBP and calling it just the MacBook, people wouldn't be in as much of an uproar (aside from the fact that the MBPs are delayed yet again). USB-C and thinness are great--no one is arguing against that--but for a Pro line, to sacrifice utility and power is foolhardy. However it seems like Apple is going down some path of convergence, which doesn't look good for many professionals.
- DashRattlesnake 10y ago
  >> I just want to meet the consumer who looked at the old MBP and thought, "wow this is far too thick!". And the same goes for cell phones. Thinner is better, but only to a certain point and certainly not at the expense of battery life and features. > Ok I'll bite. I'd like the power of the 15" MBP, but after having the 15" in 2008 which I found to be too heavy to carry with me in my bag constantly He was talking about thickness, not weight. Those are correlated, to a degree, but it seems like Apple has compromised on things in its quest for thinness that it wouldn't have had to in a quest for lightness.
danieldk 10y ago
I just want to meet the consumer [...] I don't think consumers care at all. I have some non-tech family members/friends who buy a new MacBook every two or three years. Not because they have specific new features that they want. They are happy with a Mac and want to have the latest and greatest, just because plus high resale value after that time period. Though, I expect that many consumers will skip this generation, simply because they don't want to drop 79 Euro on Apple's USB-C to VGA/HDMI connector. As for compromising features for thinness and weight: the 2nd generation Air was very popular and had relatively weak CPUs and only 2GB RAM in the base models.
- gaius 10y ago
  I don't think consumers care at all. I have some non-tech family members/friends Right but this is the Pro model...
pentae 10y ago
As a digital nomad I need something thats capable enough to let me run my business while traveling but is still light as possible. I upgrade every 2 1/2 years or so and was always skipping over the Macbook Pro for the fully optioned 13" Macbook Air instead--the 8GB RAM limit was the bottleneck for me but I didn't want the extra weight to go up to the MBP, and didn't like the small screen on the MB. The fully loaded 13" MBP I just ordered is about the same weight and size which can easily be lugged around in a day bag without being too heavy and lets me get the 16GB of RAM I wanted - happy days.

by toxican 10y ago

strange_quark 10y ago

Ok I'll bite. I'd like the power of the 15" MBP, but after having the 15" in 2008 which I found to be too heavy to carry with me in my bag constantly, I've always bought the 13" Mac laptop (had a 2011 Air, now a 2015 Pro). I find the current 13" Pro to be about as heavy as I would like to comfortable carry in my backpack for hours at a time. I appreciate that the new 15" MBP is only .5 lbs heaver than the current 13" Pro which makes it a real option for me.

adamors 10y ago
Yeah, I agree. I have a 15" MBP from 2008 and that thing is heavy. Was eyeing the 13" only for the weight.
bennyg 10y ago
The real question: If the new 15" MBP was the same weight as last generation and included the new Kaby Lake processor, more RAM, better battery, etc. would you pass on it for the weight?
- lmm 10y ago
  You could say that about every feature though. If they hadn't bothered improving the battery but had refreshed the processor, RAM, and dropped the weight, would you pass on that just for the battery? Each individual feature is going to be marginal for most users, but together they add up to making the upgrade worthwhile.
et-al 10y ago
That's why there used to be two lines: the Air and the Pro. The new MBPs announced the past week feel more like ultraportable machines versus potential desktop-replacement workhouses. If Apple had the same announcement last week, but instead of calling MBP and calling it just the MacBook, people wouldn't be in as much of an uproar (aside from the fact that the MBPs are delayed yet again). USB-C and thinness are great--no one is arguing against that--but for a Pro line, to sacrifice utility and power is foolhardy. However it seems like Apple is going down some path of convergence, which doesn't look good for many professionals.
DashRattlesnake 10y ago
>> I just want to meet the consumer who looked at the old MBP and thought, "wow this is far too thick!". And the same goes for cell phones. Thinner is better, but only to a certain point and certainly not at the expense of battery life and features. > Ok I'll bite. I'd like the power of the 15" MBP, but after having the 15" in 2008 which I found to be too heavy to carry with me in my bag constantly He was talking about thickness, not weight. Those are correlated, to a degree, but it seems like Apple has compromised on things in its quest for thinness that it wouldn't have had to in a quest for lightness.

danieldk 10y ago

I just want to meet the consumer [...] I don't think consumers care at all. I have some non-tech family members/friends who buy a new MacBook every two or three years. Not because they have specific new features that they want. They are happy with a Mac and want to have the latest and greatest, just because plus high resale value after that time period. Though, I expect that many consumers will skip this generation, simply because they don't want to drop 79 Euro on Apple's USB-C to VGA/HDMI connector. As for compromising features for thinness and weight: the 2nd generation Air was very popular and had relatively weak CPUs and only 2GB RAM in the base models.

gaius 10y ago
I don't think consumers care at all. I have some non-tech family members/friends Right but this is the Pro model...

pentae 10y ago

As a digital nomad I need something thats capable enough to let me run my business while traveling but is still light as possible. I upgrade every 2 1/2 years or so and was always skipping over the Macbook Pro for the fully optioned 13" Macbook Air instead--the 8GB RAM limit was the bottleneck for me but I didn't want the extra weight to go up to the MBP, and didn't like the small screen on the MB. The fully loaded 13" MBP I just ordered is about the same weight and size which can easily be lugged around in a day bag without being too heavy and lets me get the 16GB of RAM I wanted - happy days.