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I think my main grief if that the Touch Bar is just ridiculous. Watch the Keynote demo about people trying to use it for DJ or Photoshop. It just doesn't make s

I think my main grief if that the Touch Bar is just ridiculous. Watch the Keynote demo about people trying to use it for DJ or Photoshop. It just doesn't make sense. If it's where Apple is heading, I am not sure I want to be part of this. It's like they are forcing me to not buy it. But, I might be wrong and, in person, it might be awesome.

stephenr 10y ago
some of the demos seemed a little weird, sure, but most software demos do to me, because they over explain things. That doesn't make the thing not amazing IMO. The most use I get from my f-keys right now is media/display brightness/volume. I cant use it for eg debug step though or refactor symbol in my IDE without holding down function. Hopefully with the new hardware Jetbrains apps will show the context appropriate buttons automatically. Do you use the f-keys a lot, without looking at them? (Ie find them by touch alone)
- hartator 10y ago
  It's not really about the fn keys, we can get rid of them completely. I will just miss the esc. It's more about the Touch Bar itself. I would rather see engineering time spent elsewhere. They just added a huge burden for developer to morph their application is a smart way while not adding anything that it's not just a shortcut. Apple is not even able to commit completely to it with one the new MacBook 13" that doesn't feature it. It's a gimmick and will probably more an annoyance than anything. My main thoughts about it is "I hope it won't be too distracting.".
  - stephenr 10y ago
    Apps don't have to support the ToucbBar, and if they do, they're not meant to come up with brand new functionality for it, they simply make functionality available through an additional method (multitouch). So while that may take some dev time away from other things, it's not like all developers must spend 50% of their time dedicated to developing awesome touch-bar only functionality. Apple specifically tells them NOT to do that.

stephenr 10y ago

some of the demos seemed a little weird, sure, but most software demos do to me, because they over explain things. That doesn't make the thing not amazing IMO. The most use I get from my f-keys right now is media/display brightness/volume. I cant use it for eg debug step though or refactor symbol in my IDE without holding down function. Hopefully with the new hardware Jetbrains apps will show the context appropriate buttons automatically. Do you use the f-keys a lot, without looking at them? (Ie find them by touch alone)

hartator 10y ago
It's not really about the fn keys, we can get rid of them completely. I will just miss the esc. It's more about the Touch Bar itself. I would rather see engineering time spent elsewhere. They just added a huge burden for developer to morph their application is a smart way while not adding anything that it's not just a shortcut. Apple is not even able to commit completely to it with one the new MacBook 13" that doesn't feature it. It's a gimmick and will probably more an annoyance than anything. My main thoughts about it is "I hope it won't be too distracting.".
- stephenr 10y ago
  Apps don't have to support the ToucbBar, and if they do, they're not meant to come up with brand new functionality for it, they simply make functionality available through an additional method (multitouch). So while that may take some dev time away from other things, it's not like all developers must spend 50% of their time dedicated to developing awesome touch-bar only functionality. Apple specifically tells them NOT to do that.