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With the left gaining so much power, they should probably be worried about US-backed assassination or government toppling... They have no idea what they're gett

With the left gaining so much power, they should probably be worried about US-backed assassination or government toppling... They have no idea what they're getting in to.

henrikschroder 10y ago
Yes, just like every other Western European country with a left-wing government worries over it, i.e. not one bit.
- rahrahrah 10y ago
  I'm not sure I understand you. Is your point that because the US hasn't toppled any governments in Western Europe we shouldn't worry about them doing it there? I see no reason to assume that Western Europe somehow is out of bounds.
  - jernfrost 10y ago
    I think it is different. In south American there was usually enough chaos for the US to march in an pretend they were restoring order. It would be more difficult to to so in countries with long solid democratic traditions and which are known to be very stable. The US always relied on finding some extremists or sympathetic party which they could manipulate to their ends. You can't topple people in a vacuum. In Iran they could rely on existing support for the Shah of Iran. In Chile they could rely on right wing military people like Pinochet. There has to be some sort of chaos to exploit. Or perhaps there are way in which the US could manufacture a crisis, but I think US governments today as simply nicer than in the past.
    - rahrahrah 10y ago
      > I think it is different. In south American there was usually enough chaos for the US to march in an pretend they were restoring order. Yeah, I used to think like you. Until that one time when the USA landed the plane of the president of Bolivia because they thought Snowden was aboard. That's not the USA doing its shit in a far away place, to "bad guys" in south america or iran. I know hijacking a plane isn't toppling a government, but do you see what I mean? They certainly have the power, it's just a question of are they brazen enough? And to me this shows that they are. > I think US governments today as simply nicer than in the past. I see no evidence of that. Look at what's happening in Syria.
- Zigurd 10y ago
  Please point out a "leftist" (or far-right, for that matter) government that has extracted their country from interlocking defense liaison, surveillance, and intelligence agreements.
arnarbi 10y ago
That's very far from the reality of European politics. Iceland has had left governments before, and many Western European countries do have left wing governments. Why would the us suddenly start assassinating people?
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With the left gaining so much power, they should probably be worried about US-backed assassination or government toppling... They have no idea what they're getting in to.

henrikschroder 10y ago

Yes, just like every other Western European country with a left-wing government worries over it, i.e. not one bit.

rahrahrah 10y ago
I'm not sure I understand you. Is your point that because the US hasn't toppled any governments in Western Europe we shouldn't worry about them doing it there? I see no reason to assume that Western Europe somehow is out of bounds.
- jernfrost 10y ago
  I think it is different. In south American there was usually enough chaos for the US to march in an pretend they were restoring order. It would be more difficult to to so in countries with long solid democratic traditions and which are known to be very stable. The US always relied on finding some extremists or sympathetic party which they could manipulate to their ends. You can't topple people in a vacuum. In Iran they could rely on existing support for the Shah of Iran. In Chile they could rely on right wing military people like Pinochet. There has to be some sort of chaos to exploit. Or perhaps there are way in which the US could manufacture a crisis, but I think US governments today as simply nicer than in the past.
  - rahrahrah 10y ago
    > I think it is different. In south American there was usually enough chaos for the US to march in an pretend they were restoring order. Yeah, I used to think like you. Until that one time when the USA landed the plane of the president of Bolivia because they thought Snowden was aboard. That's not the USA doing its shit in a far away place, to "bad guys" in south america or iran. I know hijacking a plane isn't toppling a government, but do you see what I mean? They certainly have the power, it's just a question of are they brazen enough? And to me this shows that they are. > I think US governments today as simply nicer than in the past. I see no evidence of that. Look at what's happening in Syria.
Zigurd 10y ago
Please point out a "leftist" (or far-right, for that matter) government that has extracted their country from interlocking defense liaison, surveillance, and intelligence agreements.

arnarbi 10y ago

That's very far from the reality of European politics. Iceland has had left governments before, and many Western European countries do have left wing governments. Why would the us suddenly start assassinating people?

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