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"Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work well?" Funny story: My new-ish Dell laptop (Inspiron 15 7559 i7 with 4k touchscreen display; which I got at an absurdly l

"Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work well?" Funny story: My new-ish Dell laptop (Inspiron 15 7559 i7 with 4k touchscreen display; which I got at an absurdly low sales price from the Dell outlet store) does not reliably recover from sleep under Windows, but does under Linux (neither worked when I first got the laptop, but now only Windows fails and now only some of the time). That's a first, for me, as I have had a huge variety of sleep related bugs in Linux over the years, but fewer under Windows. Google Hangouts works fine under Chrome on Linux, but is quirkier under Firefox (I don't think I ever got the voice/video plugin working under Firefox, but I rarely use the video features these days, so I just run Chrome when I need it). Both video and audio Hangouts work fine under Chrome. With very new hardware, you probably need a very new Linux distribution, and newer hardware can have installation quirks. Getting Linux onto my box took a lot of fiddling, but it now runs Fedora 24 quite nicely.

matzipan 10y ago
Exactly! For example, Skylake support is not mature enough in Linux atm.
- kuschku 10y ago
  Can you give an example of issues? I’m running on a 6700 here with ARCH.
  - mehrzad 10y ago
    Here is an explation by an FSF board member. https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html
    - kuschku 10y ago
      Ah okay, the power savings issues. Basic "just run code" stuff seems to be working well enough, and on a desktop which always runs at max in my case it doesn’t need to support power savings modes either.
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  I think it's gotten pretty good in the past few months. As I mentioned, I had problems when I first installed Linux and it took longer than it historically has, but it's mostly been resolved with kernel and other updates. I can't think of any major issues; the 4k support in Linux is a bit quirky (but it's a bit quirky under Windows 10, as well), and so I've found myself fiddling more than I'd like on that front. But, there have been no showstoppers, even though my laptop has very new components on all fronts.
  - matzipan 10y ago
    I've had similar issues with Haswell and the Intel 7260 wifi card when it came out. It was fixed, but it took over a year after it was relesed :(
- spoiler 10y ago
  Skylake support isn't mature enough in Windows either, though. However, I have two devices with a Skylake processor and neither have on Linux (as of recently, there were some minor ones with bad power states on cores). One of them dualboots Windows, and windows has some random weird issues with Skylake and BSODs randomly (but rarely). Sometimes it "wakes up" into BSOD.
  - matzipan 10y ago
    I presume you know about Matthew Garett already? http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html
- skriticos2 10y ago
  I'm writing this from a Kaby Lake (7th gen) I5 running Fedora 24 and it shipped with Ubuntu (Dell XPS). It does require the newest packages but I don't see any major issues. My Skylake (6th gen) NUC I5 works well with Fedora 24 too. Mind to elaborate what specific problems you have with them?
  - matzipan 10y ago
    It's been linked many times around here: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html I'm still seeing powersaving issues even on Haswell. I believe basic support for Skylake only shipped in Ubuntu LTS only recently, too.
seanzieapples 10y ago
I've been using Fedora on my desktop machine for a few months and it's fantastic. Because I had such a good experience with it I decided to sell my MacBook Pro about a month ago and bought this laptop. Dual-booted Fedora 24 and Windows (for gaming) and I'm loving it. Like you, I had to finagle Fedora a bit to get it working but now I use it as my main dev machine.
syrrim 10y ago
Did you do anything to fix your sleep recovery issues on Linux, or did it get resolved by chance?
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  Kernel upgrade. 4.7.something or other, I think.
nickspacek 10y ago
Funnily enough, for a while I haven't been able to use Hangouts screen share in Chrome (https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=649487 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=649487) but works in Firefox. A couple of years back I was having persistent sleep/wake issues that seemed to stem from graphics driver issues. I switched between the open source and Nvidia binaries, trying to find a stable combination. What a nightmare. In the end, I decided that I didn't want to mess around and tried out a few Live CDs (think I tried Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora). In the end, Fedora worked out of the box and completed my "stress test" of sleep, wake, sleep, wake. I had to give up stellar 3D performance, but have found things to be working quite well and consistent now through all the Fedora updates. Might give Elementary OS a spin. This old Thinkpad T510 is getting dated, but still solid as ever (besides battery life).

matzipan 10y ago

Exactly! For example, Skylake support is not mature enough in Linux atm.

kuschku 10y ago
Can you give an example of issues? I’m running on a 6700 here with ARCH.
- mehrzad 10y ago
  Here is an explation by an FSF board member. https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html
  - kuschku 10y ago
    Ah okay, the power savings issues. Basic "just run code" stuff seems to be working well enough, and on a desktop which always runs at max in my case it doesn’t need to support power savings modes either.
SwellJoe 10y ago
I think it's gotten pretty good in the past few months. As I mentioned, I had problems when I first installed Linux and it took longer than it historically has, but it's mostly been resolved with kernel and other updates. I can't think of any major issues; the 4k support in Linux is a bit quirky (but it's a bit quirky under Windows 10, as well), and so I've found myself fiddling more than I'd like on that front. But, there have been no showstoppers, even though my laptop has very new components on all fronts.
- matzipan 10y ago
  I've had similar issues with Haswell and the Intel 7260 wifi card when it came out. It was fixed, but it took over a year after it was relesed :(
spoiler 10y ago
Skylake support isn't mature enough in Windows either, though. However, I have two devices with a Skylake processor and neither have on Linux (as of recently, there were some minor ones with bad power states on cores). One of them dualboots Windows, and windows has some random weird issues with Skylake and BSODs randomly (but rarely). Sometimes it "wakes up" into BSOD.
- matzipan 10y ago
  I presume you know about Matthew Garett already? http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html
skriticos2 10y ago
I'm writing this from a Kaby Lake (7th gen) I5 running Fedora 24 and it shipped with Ubuntu (Dell XPS). It does require the newest packages but I don't see any major issues. My Skylake (6th gen) NUC I5 works well with Fedora 24 too. Mind to elaborate what specific problems you have with them?
- matzipan 10y ago
  It's been linked many times around here: https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html https://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/41713.html I'm still seeing powersaving issues even on Haswell. I believe basic support for Skylake only shipped in Ubuntu LTS only recently, too.

seanzieapples 10y ago

I've been using Fedora on my desktop machine for a few months and it's fantastic. Because I had such a good experience with it I decided to sell my MacBook Pro about a month ago and bought this laptop. Dual-booted Fedora 24 and Windows (for gaming) and I'm loving it. Like you, I had to finagle Fedora a bit to get it working but now I use it as my main dev machine.

syrrim 10y ago

Did you do anything to fix your sleep recovery issues on Linux, or did it get resolved by chance?

SwellJoe 10y ago
Kernel upgrade. 4.7.something or other, I think.

nickspacek 10y ago

Funnily enough, for a while I haven't been able to use Hangouts screen share in Chrome (https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=649487 https://bugs.chromium.org/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=649487) but works in Firefox. A couple of years back I was having persistent sleep/wake issues that seemed to stem from graphics driver issues. I switched between the open source and Nvidia binaries, trying to find a stable combination. What a nightmare. In the end, I decided that I didn't want to mess around and tried out a few Live CDs (think I tried Ubuntu, Mint, and Fedora). In the end, Fedora worked out of the box and completed my "stress test" of sleep, wake, sleep, wake. I had to give up stellar 3D performance, but have found things to be working quite well and consistent now through all the Fedora updates. Might give Elementary OS a spin. This old Thinkpad T510 is getting dated, but still solid as ever (besides battery life).