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The Mac UI ripoff issue may not matter to you, but it does to me. It's gross and slavish, like using a KIRF Chinese knockoff phone with stolen icons.

overgard 10y ago
Yeah, to me it's kind of the broken-windows theory. When I see something that tasteless upfront, it makes me question the quality of the thing from the top down. It's like if you went to buy a used car and it had flame stickers all over it. Sure, it's just surface level tacky, but it would lead you to question how well the owner took care of it. When I see a bad macOS knockoff, all I can think is, if the best their ux design can do is rip off apple, then I'm not sure I want to commit long term to the thing (especially since I think that many of apple's UX decisions have actually been really bad form-over-function calls)
reitanqild 10y ago
Great artists something something
SwellJoe 10y ago
I agree. Every time Elementary OS comes up, people are like, "Finally a nice looking Linux desktop!", and I'm over here thinking, "meh...regular old Gnome 3, as shipped with recent Fedora versions, looks nicer and more cohesive, to me."
- kuschku 10y ago
  Regular old Gnome3 is horrible to use with multiple screens. Good luck running a program in full screen on your main monitor, while also doing stuff on a secondary monitor, where you have to switch windows, open new ones, etc. Gnome3 is only useful on non-touch laptops, not on any other usecase.
  - SwellJoe 10y ago
    Huh...I don't think I know what you're talking about. What specific problems have you had with multiple screens? I don't currently have my system setup for multiple displays (I live in an RV and don't have room for that kind of setup), but did use Gnome 3 with a second display for quite a long time. I don't remember any problems with switching windows and such. It seemed to work pretty much the same as Windows or macOS. The only multi-monitor complaint I had about Gnome 3 was that opening the Activities bar or changing apps led to both displays dimming. This makes Gnome 3 horrible for presentations, screening films, or pretty much anything you'd want to use a projector for. I'm hopeful that problem has been fixed, as I've rarely felt so annoyed at a piece of software. Notifications were also problematic, in that they would pop up over full screen applications (which is, IMHO, never the right behavior...full screen apps should really be treated as sacred, by default). But, at least notifications can be disabled. The misfeature of screen dimming and shrinking app windows across displays could not be disabled last time I messed with it (admittedly, a year or two ago). "Gnome3 is only useful on non-touch laptops" Which touch features do you think are missing? Mine seems to work fine, though I so rarely use the touchscreen that I may be missing something important. I find touchscreens hard to use for anything more than basic scrolling, so it's not a feature I even wanted, but it came with my laptop, and I was surprised to see it worked fine out-of-the-box with Linux. I didn't even tweak it.
    - kuschku 10y ago
      > This makes Gnome 3 horrible for presentations, screening films, or pretty much anything you'd want to use a projector for. I'm hopeful that problem has been fixed, as I've rarely felt so annoyed at a piece of software. That’s exactly what my issue with multiple screens is. Still not fixed. > Which touch features do you think are missing? It’s not that I think touch features are missing, it’s that I think non-laptop features are missing. On a screen with 1440p or 2304p height, and 27" diagonal, I can afford to have a lot of things directly in view – I don’t need to have them hidden behind things like the dimmed activity menu. Which, btw, isn’t very ideal for touch users either.
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overgard 10y ago

Yeah, to me it's kind of the broken-windows theory. When I see something that tasteless upfront, it makes me question the quality of the thing from the top down. It's like if you went to buy a used car and it had flame stickers all over it. Sure, it's just surface level tacky, but it would lead you to question how well the owner took care of it. When I see a bad macOS knockoff, all I can think is, if the best their ux design can do is rip off apple, then I'm not sure I want to commit long term to the thing (especially since I think that many of apple's UX decisions have actually been really bad form-over-function calls)

reitanqild 10y ago

Great artists something something

SwellJoe 10y ago

I agree. Every time Elementary OS comes up, people are like, "Finally a nice looking Linux desktop!", and I'm over here thinking, "meh...regular old Gnome 3, as shipped with recent Fedora versions, looks nicer and more cohesive, to me."

kuschku 10y ago
Regular old Gnome3 is horrible to use with multiple screens. Good luck running a program in full screen on your main monitor, while also doing stuff on a secondary monitor, where you have to switch windows, open new ones, etc. Gnome3 is only useful on non-touch laptops, not on any other usecase.
- SwellJoe 10y ago
  Huh...I don't think I know what you're talking about. What specific problems have you had with multiple screens? I don't currently have my system setup for multiple displays (I live in an RV and don't have room for that kind of setup), but did use Gnome 3 with a second display for quite a long time. I don't remember any problems with switching windows and such. It seemed to work pretty much the same as Windows or macOS. The only multi-monitor complaint I had about Gnome 3 was that opening the Activities bar or changing apps led to both displays dimming. This makes Gnome 3 horrible for presentations, screening films, or pretty much anything you'd want to use a projector for. I'm hopeful that problem has been fixed, as I've rarely felt so annoyed at a piece of software. Notifications were also problematic, in that they would pop up over full screen applications (which is, IMHO, never the right behavior...full screen apps should really be treated as sacred, by default). But, at least notifications can be disabled. The misfeature of screen dimming and shrinking app windows across displays could not be disabled last time I messed with it (admittedly, a year or two ago). "Gnome3 is only useful on non-touch laptops" Which touch features do you think are missing? Mine seems to work fine, though I so rarely use the touchscreen that I may be missing something important. I find touchscreens hard to use for anything more than basic scrolling, so it's not a feature I even wanted, but it came with my laptop, and I was surprised to see it worked fine out-of-the-box with Linux. I didn't even tweak it.
  - kuschku 10y ago
    > This makes Gnome 3 horrible for presentations, screening films, or pretty much anything you'd want to use a projector for. I'm hopeful that problem has been fixed, as I've rarely felt so annoyed at a piece of software. That’s exactly what my issue with multiple screens is. Still not fixed. > Which touch features do you think are missing? It’s not that I think touch features are missing, it’s that I think non-laptop features are missing. On a screen with 1440p or 2304p height, and 27" diagonal, I can afford to have a lot of things directly in view – I don’t need to have them hidden behind things like the dimmed activity menu. Which, btw, isn’t very ideal for touch users either.

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