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> I wish he could interact better with the core team, because some of his rants are not as constructive as they might be. Can you be more specific? How could i

by whyever 10y ago

> I wish he could interact better with the core team, because some of his rants are not as constructive as they might be. Can you be more specific? How could it be more constructive?

scardine 10y ago
Simplicity is a core value of the Python community; this kind of change goes through a long discussion before getting implemented, so I wonder how we ended up with such convoluted design (the reasoning is documented in the PEP system but most of it is beyond my wizardry level). Perhaps this is me showing some cultural bias (I'm Brazilian), but in my social context it is considered rude to make this kind of criticism in public unless you tried your best to address the problem in a more restricted exchange. The more authority you have, more you are expected to come with a better proposal instead of just pointing out the mess.
- the_mitsuhiko 10y ago
  asyncio is not my construction site and I do not intend to make it mine. I am not an expert in anything asynchronous and as such will not try to make myself that person. This entire adventure started because I was looking for a way to get logical call contexts working in it and this shows that there is not enough internal machinery to support that at the moment. I'm not going to fight for that however. I hope my post was rude.
  - rch 10y ago
    Thanks for taking the time to write out your concrete experiences and qualitative impressions in such detail. It's really a tremendous service and I'm sure it'll be well received.
    - the_mitsuhiko 10y ago
      For what it's worth I would like to do a PEP on accessing event loops from coroutines and logical call contexts but having read some of the conversations that already took place to improve asyncio I am less thrilled about being involved.
      - 1st1 10y ago
        I suggest to proceed with the PEP if you have a good idea about the API. Get it out there, it's not required to spend hours on mailing lists - other people can do that if they like it.
- whyever 10y ago
  > unless you tried your best to address the problem in a more restricted exchange. That sounds like orders of magnitude more work. In case you are not interested in performing that work, it seems more constructive to me to share your thoughts rather than to say nothing.

by whyever 10y ago

> I wish he could interact better with the core team, because some of his rants are not as constructive as they might be. Can you be more specific? How could it be more constructive?

scardine 10y ago

Simplicity is a core value of the Python community; this kind of change goes through a long discussion before getting implemented, so I wonder how we ended up with such convoluted design (the reasoning is documented in the PEP system but most of it is beyond my wizardry level). Perhaps this is me showing some cultural bias (I'm Brazilian), but in my social context it is considered rude to make this kind of criticism in public unless you tried your best to address the problem in a more restricted exchange. The more authority you have, more you are expected to come with a better proposal instead of just pointing out the mess.

the_mitsuhiko 10y ago
asyncio is not my construction site and I do not intend to make it mine. I am not an expert in anything asynchronous and as such will not try to make myself that person. This entire adventure started because I was looking for a way to get logical call contexts working in it and this shows that there is not enough internal machinery to support that at the moment. I'm not going to fight for that however. I hope my post was rude.
- rch 10y ago
  Thanks for taking the time to write out your concrete experiences and qualitative impressions in such detail. It's really a tremendous service and I'm sure it'll be well received.
  - the_mitsuhiko 10y ago
    For what it's worth I would like to do a PEP on accessing event loops from coroutines and logical call contexts but having read some of the conversations that already took place to improve asyncio I am less thrilled about being involved.
    - 1st1 10y ago
      I suggest to proceed with the PEP if you have a good idea about the API. Get it out there, it's not required to spend hours on mailing lists - other people can do that if they like it.
whyever 10y ago
> unless you tried your best to address the problem in a more restricted exchange. That sounds like orders of magnitude more work. In case you are not interested in performing that work, it seems more constructive to me to share your thoughts rather than to say nothing.