4 ms·

'eSIM' is on the way to replace sim cards. The biggest challenge of 'downloading a sim card' to a secure enclave on a phone is of course security. The GSMA and

'eSIM' is on the way to replace sim cards. The biggest challenge of 'downloading a sim card' to a secure enclave on a phone is of course security. The GSMA and members (i.e. telcos) have been working on secure remote provisioning. I think it'll take a while for the technology to make it in to consumer devices, though it's likely to be used in IoT relatively soon. It takes a long time to spec these things up collaboratively and then even longer for telco's to act on it! See: http://www.gsma.com/rsp/2016/04/27/esim-opportunity-operators-innovate/ http://www.gsma.com/rsp/2016/04/27/esim-opportunity-operator... and http://www.gsma.com/rsp/ http://www.gsma.com/rsp/ (Warning: Lots of marketing BS)

synchrone 10y ago
Actually there is at least one company already offering Remote-Sim-Provisioning. https://medium.com/@ComfortWay_Glob/cwsim-freedom-of-connection-freedom-of-choice-8ab72b1c8f90 https://medium.com/@ComfortWay_Glob/cwsim-freedom-of-connect... They are selling local data-plans abroad without switching the SIM card by implementing RSP. Calls are coming in 2017, also promising a portable phone number later that year.
- lathiat 10y ago
  another interesting company in this space is FlexiroamX, they have a super flat sim that sticks on top of your existing sim. It lets you soft-switch the SIM using a "SIM Application" (like mentioned elsewhere in the thread) - appears as if it unplugs and replugs to the phone. See picture of the process here: https://twitter.com/lathiat/status/758979125751054336 https://twitter.com/lathiat/status/758979125751054336 Works fantastically and gives me $30/GB data in pretty much any country at often 4G speeds - with a 12 month expiry on the data (does cost $20 a year or something for 'membership' but still, usually costs far more than that for a sim starter pack in every different separate country you go to). Good for frequent travellers! Obligatory please use my referral link if you signup :-) Bonus 100MB for both me and you. http://www.flexiroamx.com/referYXBBCJ http://www.flexiroamx.com/referYXBBCJ / Code YXBBCJ
  - glennos 10y ago
    Super interesting. So the overlay tricks the phone into thinking there's 2 SIMs in the phone?
    - nhf 10y ago
      It's more like a "proxy" for your SIM card where it can act as its own SIM, or as a passthrough, depending on software settings.
  - baybal2 10y ago
    >$30/GB Some European operators still have cheaper roaming data plans
    - Lunar_Lamp 10y ago
      As an example, I pay £20/month for 30GB, that can be used anywhere in the EU, USA, Canada, Australia (and a few other countries).
      - monort 10y ago
        If it's "Feel at home" from Three, you can use it only for short trips and tethering is forbidden.
- bizzleDawg 10y ago
  Sure, they do remote provisioning, but it's not eSIM in that there is still a sim card! I assume they use some special USSD codes to switch to their provisioning carrier and use a normal network connection to do that. In the case of a true eSIM, there is no sim card at all, it's stored on the device it's self with a lower level bootstraping profile (i.e. not an alternative pre-programmed carrier)

synchrone 10y ago

Actually there is at least one company already offering Remote-Sim-Provisioning. https://medium.com/@ComfortWay_Glob/cwsim-freedom-of-connection-freedom-of-choice-8ab72b1c8f90 https://medium.com/@ComfortWay_Glob/cwsim-freedom-of-connect... They are selling local data-plans abroad without switching the SIM card by implementing RSP. Calls are coming in 2017, also promising a portable phone number later that year.

lathiat 10y ago
another interesting company in this space is FlexiroamX, they have a super flat sim that sticks on top of your existing sim. It lets you soft-switch the SIM using a "SIM Application" (like mentioned elsewhere in the thread) - appears as if it unplugs and replugs to the phone. See picture of the process here: https://twitter.com/lathiat/status/758979125751054336 https://twitter.com/lathiat/status/758979125751054336 Works fantastically and gives me $30/GB data in pretty much any country at often 4G speeds - with a 12 month expiry on the data (does cost $20 a year or something for 'membership' but still, usually costs far more than that for a sim starter pack in every different separate country you go to). Good for frequent travellers! Obligatory please use my referral link if you signup :-) Bonus 100MB for both me and you. http://www.flexiroamx.com/referYXBBCJ http://www.flexiroamx.com/referYXBBCJ / Code YXBBCJ
- glennos 10y ago
  Super interesting. So the overlay tricks the phone into thinking there's 2 SIMs in the phone?
  - nhf 10y ago
    It's more like a "proxy" for your SIM card where it can act as its own SIM, or as a passthrough, depending on software settings.
- baybal2 10y ago
  >$30/GB Some European operators still have cheaper roaming data plans
  - Lunar_Lamp 10y ago
    As an example, I pay £20/month for 30GB, that can be used anywhere in the EU, USA, Canada, Australia (and a few other countries).
    - monort 10y ago
      If it's "Feel at home" from Three, you can use it only for short trips and tethering is forbidden.
bizzleDawg 10y ago
Sure, they do remote provisioning, but it's not eSIM in that there is still a sim card! I assume they use some special USSD codes to switch to their provisioning carrier and use a normal network connection to do that. In the case of a true eSIM, there is no sim card at all, it's stored on the device it's self with a lower level bootstraping profile (i.e. not an alternative pre-programmed carrier)