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"This is a minimalistic JavaScript stack" "ES6, Babel, Gulp, ESLint, React, Redux, Webpack, Immutable, Mocha, Chai, Sinon, and Flow" brutal.

by tribby 10y ago

bendavis381 10y ago
Minimalist python backend stack: Django, gunicorn, Django Rest, Postgres (psycopg2), celery, redis, requests, nose, factory_boy, freezegun, raven Building good applications for lots of people requires lots of stuff. Using vanilla JS to build web apps is as much fun as using vanilla python to build a backend.
- tribby 10y ago
  I'd opt for flask if I were using python, but that's just me :) the thing about the above-mentioned JS stack is that it's barely the tip of the iceberg. most of the dependencies in those python apps are built using standard libraries that simply don't exist in javascript. glazing over the whole "you're about to download a bunch of random stuff from npm that may be unmaintained or malicious" thing doesn't do a service to a junior dev. it's also not a "modern" stack. gulp? webpack. npm? yarn. react? vue. and in another month it will be something else. what you would opt for in python, is well-established, built on libraries that are part of python's core, and maybe except for the testing stuff has been around for 100 javascript years. I'm criticizing neither the article nor its author, simply remarking that javascript in 2016 is, in practice, completely fucking brutal.
jverrecchia 10y ago
I believe you quoted me wrong :) The "guide" is minimalistic, not the stack. The point of making the guide minimalistic is to help folks feel less overwhelmed by the complexity of said stack.
- vnchr 10y ago
  I'm between entry-level and intermediate as a full-stack JavaScript dev, and I'm seeing these tools (or equivalents) as the basics used at the last couple jobs and the ones I'm applying to now. Really appreciate you putting this together. Thanks so much.
  - jverrecchia 10y ago
    Glad I could help you my friend! :)
mcbits 10y ago
Nah, nobody's using Brutal anymore. That was last week.

"This is a minimalistic JavaScript stack" "ES6, Babel, Gulp, ESLint, React, Redux, Webpack, Immutable, Mocha, Chai, Sinon, and Flow" brutal.

by tribby 10y ago

"This is a minimalistic JavaScript stack" "ES6, Babel, Gulp, ESLint, React, Redux, Webpack, Immutable, Mocha, Chai, Sinon, and Flow" brutal.

bendavis381 10y ago

Minimalist python backend stack: Django, gunicorn, Django Rest, Postgres (psycopg2), celery, redis, requests, nose, factory_boy, freezegun, raven Building good applications for lots of people requires lots of stuff. Using vanilla JS to build web apps is as much fun as using vanilla python to build a backend.

tribby 10y ago
I'd opt for flask if I were using python, but that's just me :) the thing about the above-mentioned JS stack is that it's barely the tip of the iceberg. most of the dependencies in those python apps are built using standard libraries that simply don't exist in javascript. glazing over the whole "you're about to download a bunch of random stuff from npm that may be unmaintained or malicious" thing doesn't do a service to a junior dev. it's also not a "modern" stack. gulp? webpack. npm? yarn. react? vue. and in another month it will be something else. what you would opt for in python, is well-established, built on libraries that are part of python's core, and maybe except for the testing stuff has been around for 100 javascript years. I'm criticizing neither the article nor its author, simply remarking that javascript in 2016 is, in practice, completely fucking brutal.

jverrecchia 10y ago

I believe you quoted me wrong :) The "guide" is minimalistic, not the stack. The point of making the guide minimalistic is to help folks feel less overwhelmed by the complexity of said stack.

vnchr 10y ago
I'm between entry-level and intermediate as a full-stack JavaScript dev, and I'm seeing these tools (or equivalents) as the basics used at the last couple jobs and the ones I'm applying to now. Really appreciate you putting this together. Thanks so much.
- jverrecchia 10y ago
  Glad I could help you my friend! :)

mcbits 10y ago

Nah, nobody's using Brutal anymore. That was last week.