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Check out Unicomp keyboards: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD

by perryh2 10y ago

Skunkleton 10y ago
I am typing on one of those right now. I love mine, it is just like the model m, but it has a windows key and USB.
- agret 10y ago
  Does it come with a PS2->USB adapter so you can connect it via a PS2 port? Better input handling than USB :)
  - petepete 10y ago
    You can buy PS/2 versions of most models directly.
  - cm3 10y ago
    In cases where there is no PCB with PS/2, do you know if the adapter when connected to PS/2 has the exact same behavior or are is it a lesser/compatibility mode without the full benefits? Anytime I sit at a machine where the USB chip happens to reset, I wish it would use PS/2. It's just not the same, and I'm not even using n-key-rollover.
  - wolrah 10y ago
    > Better input handling than USB :) A common misconception. The USB HID Keyboard Boot Protocol, aka the lowest-common-denominator mode, is very limited and is where this belief comes from. 6KRO + modifiers, limited refresh rate, etc. This mode is only required for compatibility with certain BIOSes and pre-USB operating systems, though some "gaming" keyboards start in this mode and only switch when they've been twiddled by their driver because a subset of those certain BIOSes won't even boot properly with a keyboard that goes beyond the boot protocol connected. When booted to a remotely modern OS that has a full featured HID Keyboard driver it can support NKRO, up to 1000Hz refresh rates, etc. and as far as I'm aware is able to match or beat PS/2 in all ways.
cm3 10y ago
IBM used to make tenkeyless Model M's, wish Unicomp would offer the same since I'm very used to having the mouse closer to my hands. Then I could give a Model M a serious try, having used Cherry MXes for two decades, with the occasional one day excursion on a Sun or HP workstation keyboard.
- saundby 10y ago
  I got the Unicomp with the trackstick mouse for quick mouse actions, then I reach over for the real mouse for longer uses of it, but I'm with you on wishing for a tenkeyless. Toshiba and Lenovo sold me on the mouse stick in the 90s, so it still feels natural for some things & my hand doesn't have to travel far, but nothing beats a real mouse.
  - cm3 10y ago
    I tried and failed to get comfortable with thinkpad trackpoints, so if it's anything like that, I'm afraid it will just sit there unused.
- regularfry 10y ago
  I'm right handed, but I mouse with my left for precisely this reason. Switch back to my right for gaming, but that's pretty rare these days.
- digler999 10y ago
  you can get a 10-keyless Daskeyboard for $99 http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/ http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/
  - cm3 10y ago
    I have tenkeyless cherry mx keyboard already, but I know there have been tenkeyless model M's in the past, which is what I was interested in.
hossbeast 10y ago
I wish there was an ergonomic/split version
- Steeeve 10y ago
  I've been eyeballing one of these for christmas: https://ergodox-ez.com/collections/keyboard-bundles/products/ergodox-ez-bundle-with-blank-keycaps https://ergodox-ez.com/collections/keyboard-bundles/products...
  - gnicholasgreen 10y ago
    I took the dive on an ergodox ez a couple of months ago. It took me nearly a month to get fully comfortable with it, but now typing on a regular keyboard just feels less than ideal. I just ordered a second one for my home computer.
    - Steeeve 10y ago
      Question - did you go with the default blank keys? And how do you like them? I'm trying to figure out which keys to get, but I have yet to see one in person.
      - hossbeast 10y ago
        Also, is it wireless?
    - brokenmachine 10y ago
      I absolutely love my Ergodox! I can't type on a horrible staggered keyboard anymore. Once you get used to it (about a week for me), it just feels so natural. I can never go back. Staggered keys are perverse, all the contortions necessary just to locate the keys with your fingers. The only problem is that now I look like a total retard when trying to use anyone else's keyboard, which is a pretty regular occurrence unfortunately as I'm in IT.
      - 10y ago

Check out Unicomp keyboards: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD

by perryh2 10y ago

Check out Unicomp keyboards: http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD http://www.pckeyboard.com/page/category/UKBD

Skunkleton 10y ago

I am typing on one of those right now. I love mine, it is just like the model m, but it has a windows key and USB.

agret 10y ago
Does it come with a PS2->USB adapter so you can connect it via a PS2 port? Better input handling than USB :)
- petepete 10y ago
  You can buy PS/2 versions of most models directly.
- cm3 10y ago
  In cases where there is no PCB with PS/2, do you know if the adapter when connected to PS/2 has the exact same behavior or are is it a lesser/compatibility mode without the full benefits? Anytime I sit at a machine where the USB chip happens to reset, I wish it would use PS/2. It's just not the same, and I'm not even using n-key-rollover.
- wolrah 10y ago
  > Better input handling than USB :) A common misconception. The USB HID Keyboard Boot Protocol, aka the lowest-common-denominator mode, is very limited and is where this belief comes from. 6KRO + modifiers, limited refresh rate, etc. This mode is only required for compatibility with certain BIOSes and pre-USB operating systems, though some "gaming" keyboards start in this mode and only switch when they've been twiddled by their driver because a subset of those certain BIOSes won't even boot properly with a keyboard that goes beyond the boot protocol connected. When booted to a remotely modern OS that has a full featured HID Keyboard driver it can support NKRO, up to 1000Hz refresh rates, etc. and as far as I'm aware is able to match or beat PS/2 in all ways.

cm3 10y ago

IBM used to make tenkeyless Model M's, wish Unicomp would offer the same since I'm very used to having the mouse closer to my hands. Then I could give a Model M a serious try, having used Cherry MXes for two decades, with the occasional one day excursion on a Sun or HP workstation keyboard.

saundby 10y ago
I got the Unicomp with the trackstick mouse for quick mouse actions, then I reach over for the real mouse for longer uses of it, but I'm with you on wishing for a tenkeyless. Toshiba and Lenovo sold me on the mouse stick in the 90s, so it still feels natural for some things & my hand doesn't have to travel far, but nothing beats a real mouse.
- cm3 10y ago
  I tried and failed to get comfortable with thinkpad trackpoints, so if it's anything like that, I'm afraid it will just sit there unused.
regularfry 10y ago
I'm right handed, but I mouse with my left for precisely this reason. Switch back to my right for gaming, but that's pretty rare these days.
digler999 10y ago
you can get a 10-keyless Daskeyboard for $99 http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/ http://www.daskeyboard.com/daskeyboard-4C-ultimate/
- cm3 10y ago
  I have tenkeyless cherry mx keyboard already, but I know there have been tenkeyless model M's in the past, which is what I was interested in.

hossbeast 10y ago

I wish there was an ergonomic/split version

Steeeve 10y ago
I've been eyeballing one of these for christmas: https://ergodox-ez.com/collections/keyboard-bundles/products/ergodox-ez-bundle-with-blank-keycaps https://ergodox-ez.com/collections/keyboard-bundles/products...
- gnicholasgreen 10y ago
  I took the dive on an ergodox ez a couple of months ago. It took me nearly a month to get fully comfortable with it, but now typing on a regular keyboard just feels less than ideal. I just ordered a second one for my home computer.
  - Steeeve 10y ago
    Question - did you go with the default blank keys? And how do you like them? I'm trying to figure out which keys to get, but I have yet to see one in person.
    - hossbeast 10y ago
      Also, is it wireless?
  - brokenmachine 10y ago
    I absolutely love my Ergodox! I can't type on a horrible staggered keyboard anymore. Once you get used to it (about a week for me), it just feels so natural. I can never go back. Staggered keys are perverse, all the contortions necessary just to locate the keys with your fingers. The only problem is that now I look like a total retard when trying to use anyone else's keyboard, which is a pretty regular occurrence unfortunately as I'm in IT.
    - 10y ago