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You're confusing communism with totalitarianism.

by turar 10y ago

barney54 10y ago
Usually communism requires totalitarianism. I don't know of any examples where communism didn't require totalitarian as long as we are talking about the country level. But I'd like to hear some counter examples I'm not thinking of.
- turar 10y ago
  No countries actually had communism, but if we're talking about socialism, then you're mostly right. My opinion is that there are many reasons for it, including: - Those countries were poor and without sufficiently established democratic institutions. - Those countries had to immediately mobilize to defend from richer capitalist countries (lead by the US) trying to undermine them in any possible way. Constant defense mode leads to totalitarianism. That doesn't mean that socialism requires totalitarianism by nature.
  - BurningFrog 10y ago
    Central planning of all production means that the central planners controls everything in society.
    - turar 10y ago
      Central planning is not a requirement for socialism. In fact, the only significant difference between capitalism and socialism is a democratically controlled workplace, which is inherently less authoritarian than capitalistic totalitarian workplace governance. It's also ironic how people constantly conflate "democracy" and "capitalism" on one hand, and "totalitarianism" and "communism" on the other, while completely accepting totalitarianism during a significant portion of their life -- their workplace.
- yk 10y ago
  There are no states in communism, quoting Lenin: >> Only now can we fully appreciate the correctness of Engels' remarks mercilessly ridiculing the absurdity of combining the words “freedom” and “state”. So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state. Lenin, The State and the Revolution, 1917 https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm#s4 https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/c...

You're confusing communism with totalitarianism.

by turar 10y ago

You're confusing communism with totalitarianism.

Usually communism requires totalitarianism. I don't know of any examples where communism didn't require totalitarian as long as we are talking about the country level. But I'd like to hear some counter examples I'm not thinking of.

turar 10y ago
No countries actually had communism, but if we're talking about socialism, then you're mostly right. My opinion is that there are many reasons for it, including: - Those countries were poor and without sufficiently established democratic institutions. - Those countries had to immediately mobilize to defend from richer capitalist countries (lead by the US) trying to undermine them in any possible way. Constant defense mode leads to totalitarianism. That doesn't mean that socialism requires totalitarianism by nature.
- BurningFrog 10y ago
  Central planning of all production means that the central planners controls everything in society.
  - turar 10y ago
    Central planning is not a requirement for socialism. In fact, the only significant difference between capitalism and socialism is a democratically controlled workplace, which is inherently less authoritarian than capitalistic totalitarian workplace governance. It's also ironic how people constantly conflate "democracy" and "capitalism" on one hand, and "totalitarianism" and "communism" on the other, while completely accepting totalitarianism during a significant portion of their life -- their workplace.
yk 10y ago
There are no states in communism, quoting Lenin: >> Only now can we fully appreciate the correctness of Engels' remarks mercilessly ridiculing the absurdity of combining the words “freedom” and “state”. So long as the state exists there is no freedom. When there is freedom, there will be no state. Lenin, The State and the Revolution, 1917 https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/ch05.htm#s4 https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1917/staterev/c...