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My actual position is that a good argument against the top comment here is that a) this is an incredibly bad place to be trying to make such a point and b) if y

by Mz 10y ago

My actual position is that a good argument against the top comment here is that a) this is an incredibly bad place to be trying to make such a point and b) if you want to make such a point, even under better circumstances, you really, seriously need to up your game as to expressing yourself clearly, sensitively and in a nuanced manner. But the reality is that there are studies suggesting that porn has reduced the incidence of rape and that conservative eras where good girls cannot put out have a great deal more prostitution. So, the essence of his position is not incorrect. It in no way justifies this heinous crime, but raking him over the coals over the deficiencies in his writing also in no way will improve his ability to express the idea effectively and appropriately. Thank you for the apology. Rest assured I have no desire to have you "soften your tone" over my gender. http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/01/oh-my-god-its-girl.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/01/oh-my-god-it...

KirinDave 10y ago
> My actual position is that a good argument against the top comment here is that a) this is an incredibly bad place to be trying to make such a point and b) if you want to make such a point, even under better circumstances, you really, seriously need to up your game as to expressing yourself clearly, sensitively and in a nuanced manner. I have a great deal of difficulty reading this position from your response above. But I will take you at your word. Thank you, I appreciate the time you spent further clarifying your point to me. > It in no way justifies this heinous crime, but raking him over the coals over the deficiencies in his writing also in no way will improve his ability to express the idea effectively and appropriately. I am not here to or improve anyone. I am here to coldly and meticulously point out misogyny and rape culture of Hacker News wherever I see it. I am not interested in correcting behavior beyond that. It's not my place or my desire to be anything other than to throw a bucket of cold water on every case of it I see. If you feel a higher calling, I wish you good luck. I no longer care to attempt to carefully untangle if someone is an MRA or if they are just using arguments very much like an MRA uses.
- Mz 10y ago
  If you were slightly more careful about throwing ice water on the position and not the person, you and I would likely have zero friction. I have a different agenda from you, but our agendas are not incompatible. You were quick to leap to conclusions about me and tar me. I see this as fundamentally problematic, regardless of your agenda, and quite counterproductive if you want to end rape culture. Not that you are in any way required to take that point of view under advisement or act on it.
  - KirinDave 10y ago
    I was actually rather careful to address ideas specifically rather than individuals. I only used the poster as a passive subject in an accusation of an MRA agenda. > I see this as fundamentally problematic, regardless of your agenda, and quite counterproductive if you want to end rape culture. That is your opinion. I think shame has its place. We are on a curious website where we can actively call people names if we are discussing technology and it is considered par for the discourse. But once the space of "politics" (read as, "fundamental human rights") enters the equation then suddenly we must all suddenly respect everyone's right to any opinion no matter how oppressive or facile. I reject that notion. I will not be able to respond to you anymore today. I am rate limited and I'm fairly sure this is my final post for the day.
    - Mz 10y ago
      I am an alpha female. They have different priorities from an alpha male. Those priorities are complementary to each other. While not in direct conflict, they coexist in tension. When the tension is at a healthy balance, it creates a vital social dynamic. http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/09/profile-of-alpha-female-wolf.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/09/profile-of-a... Since I already allowed as how that was merely my point of view, it is redundant to tell me that is just my opinion.

by Mz 10y ago

KirinDave 10y ago

> My actual position is that a good argument against the top comment here is that a) this is an incredibly bad place to be trying to make such a point and b) if you want to make such a point, even under better circumstances, you really, seriously need to up your game as to expressing yourself clearly, sensitively and in a nuanced manner. I have a great deal of difficulty reading this position from your response above. But I will take you at your word. Thank you, I appreciate the time you spent further clarifying your point to me. > It in no way justifies this heinous crime, but raking him over the coals over the deficiencies in his writing also in no way will improve his ability to express the idea effectively and appropriately. I am not here to or improve anyone. I am here to coldly and meticulously point out misogyny and rape culture of Hacker News wherever I see it. I am not interested in correcting behavior beyond that. It's not my place or my desire to be anything other than to throw a bucket of cold water on every case of it I see. If you feel a higher calling, I wish you good luck. I no longer care to attempt to carefully untangle if someone is an MRA or if they are just using arguments very much like an MRA uses.

Mz 10y ago
If you were slightly more careful about throwing ice water on the position and not the person, you and I would likely have zero friction. I have a different agenda from you, but our agendas are not incompatible. You were quick to leap to conclusions about me and tar me. I see this as fundamentally problematic, regardless of your agenda, and quite counterproductive if you want to end rape culture. Not that you are in any way required to take that point of view under advisement or act on it.
- KirinDave 10y ago
  I was actually rather careful to address ideas specifically rather than individuals. I only used the poster as a passive subject in an accusation of an MRA agenda. > I see this as fundamentally problematic, regardless of your agenda, and quite counterproductive if you want to end rape culture. That is your opinion. I think shame has its place. We are on a curious website where we can actively call people names if we are discussing technology and it is considered par for the discourse. But once the space of "politics" (read as, "fundamental human rights") enters the equation then suddenly we must all suddenly respect everyone's right to any opinion no matter how oppressive or facile. I reject that notion. I will not be able to respond to you anymore today. I am rate limited and I'm fairly sure this is my final post for the day.
  - Mz 10y ago
    I am an alpha female. They have different priorities from an alpha male. Those priorities are complementary to each other. While not in direct conflict, they coexist in tension. When the tension is at a healthy balance, it creates a vital social dynamic. http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/09/profile-of-alpha-female-wolf.html http://micheleincalifornia.blogspot.com/2016/09/profile-of-a... Since I already allowed as how that was merely my point of view, it is redundant to tell me that is just my opinion.