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My guess is that they want French Literature and theology degrees from Stanford/Ivy/etc schools. If you go to Chico State you're much better off with a CS or ac

My guess is that they want French Literature and theology degrees from Stanford/Ivy/etc schools. If you go to Chico State you're much better off with a CS or accounting degree. I can't imagine the average state school liberal arts degree holder has a viable white collar career field with just that degree. Sorta like its better to have a Stanford law degree and have had mediocre grades, than it is to have graduated at the top of your class from Santa Clara.

bigtunacan 10y ago
Your lack of imagination doesn't match up with reality. Over my long career I have seen that the overarching large corporations have a glass ceiling that can only be broken through by having at least a Bachelor's degree no matter the degree. But don't take my word for it. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/22/see-how-liberal-arts-grads-really-fare-report-examines-long-term-data https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/22/see-how-liber...
- Slothrop99 10y ago
  Your argument says nothing about a university's reputation and its effect on salaries, so its completely irrelevant to ZanyProgrammer's point. I wouldn't be surprised if an english major from Stanford out-earns an engineer from Chico, because there's lots of companies who only hire "the best" (aka people from top universities). Yeah, everyone knows that a bachelor's is the minimal requirement. But I've never seen or heard of a situation of someone being denied promotion because of the lack of a degree. (Maybe in the government?) OTOH, I've worked with a lot of business people who can't even type a coherent email, much less do anything which isn't completely reactionary. I'd say the degree is mostly incidental and not the root cause.
  - serf 10y ago
    > Yeah, everyone knows that a bachelor's is the minimal requirement. But I've never seen or heard of a situation of someone being denied promotion because of the lack of a degree. (Maybe in the government?) try government contractors. Aerospace, in particular, loves to teach minimal education/salary employees skilled engineering trades on-the-job and then slap the title 'engineering intern' or 'junior engineer' onto them, a small increase in pay, and a huge increase in responsibility. 'Junior engineer' is typically what employees who are going to school for an applicable field get thrown into until graduation, at which point they become full fledged engineers -- but the title also serves as a ceiling for those who have chosen to not pursue further education. I don't know if it is fair to equate a ceiling in pay to a denial in promotion, but they sure seem similar from a practical perspective.
    - wolf550e 10y ago
      STEM fields and medicine and law are different. Basically, unless you've passed the hard tests (e.g. calculus) you are a lab assistant, a tech, not a person who can be in charge of anything. In most kinds of middle management, your degree doesn't matter at all, but they want you to have a degree. Any four year degree from an accredited college.

bigtunacan 10y ago

Your lack of imagination doesn't match up with reality. Over my long career I have seen that the overarching large corporations have a glass ceiling that can only be broken through by having at least a Bachelor's degree no matter the degree. But don't take my word for it. https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/22/see-how-liberal-arts-grads-really-fare-report-examines-long-term-data https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2014/01/22/see-how-liber...

Slothrop99 10y ago
Your argument says nothing about a university's reputation and its effect on salaries, so its completely irrelevant to ZanyProgrammer's point. I wouldn't be surprised if an english major from Stanford out-earns an engineer from Chico, because there's lots of companies who only hire "the best" (aka people from top universities). Yeah, everyone knows that a bachelor's is the minimal requirement. But I've never seen or heard of a situation of someone being denied promotion because of the lack of a degree. (Maybe in the government?) OTOH, I've worked with a lot of business people who can't even type a coherent email, much less do anything which isn't completely reactionary. I'd say the degree is mostly incidental and not the root cause.
- serf 10y ago
  > Yeah, everyone knows that a bachelor's is the minimal requirement. But I've never seen or heard of a situation of someone being denied promotion because of the lack of a degree. (Maybe in the government?) try government contractors. Aerospace, in particular, loves to teach minimal education/salary employees skilled engineering trades on-the-job and then slap the title 'engineering intern' or 'junior engineer' onto them, a small increase in pay, and a huge increase in responsibility. 'Junior engineer' is typically what employees who are going to school for an applicable field get thrown into until graduation, at which point they become full fledged engineers -- but the title also serves as a ceiling for those who have chosen to not pursue further education. I don't know if it is fair to equate a ceiling in pay to a denial in promotion, but they sure seem similar from a practical perspective.
  - wolf550e 10y ago
    STEM fields and medicine and law are different. Basically, unless you've passed the hard tests (e.g. calculus) you are a lab assistant, a tech, not a person who can be in charge of anything. In most kinds of middle management, your degree doesn't matter at all, but they want you to have a degree. Any four year degree from an accredited college.