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My point was that the structure of said society may lend itself more to facilitate the events leading to the inexcusable, tragic result. That said, there have a
by cm3 10y ago
My point was that the structure of said society may lend itself more to facilitate the events leading to the inexcusable, tragic result. That said, there have also been harassment/bullying (not comparing, equalizing the events, to be clear) victims in the US that committed suicide, so I think I get what you're asking.
Let me try to rephrase: I'm not saying this was the case in this incident, but the fairly unique classification rules of the society in question may increase the chances of such an outcome and be another reason to rethink the rules.
- KirinDave 10y agoYou're doing exactly what drove this poor woman to suicide here: saying her rape and subsequent shaming was all but inevitable and until the monsters that did this to here are perpetually appeased, what happened to her is at least partially her fault (either directly or indirectly). Your sentiment is vile and dehumanizing. It's carefully veiled and couched so as to make it appear to be a cousin of a feninist appeal for sex workers rights, with the safety of these victims in mind. But even casual inspection of your intent reveals that you believe that unless sated by a sex industry, rape is inevitable and we shouldn't blame the monsters who commit it. I am sure you will protest this and cite the weight of history. Men's rights advocates usually do. And I'll happily point out that progressivism and the slow progress of women's rights against all odds and a nearly endless series of arguments like yours is also a pressure of history. One that many of us are working to further.
- cm3 10y agoIt's unfortunate that's how you read my comment, and I take full responsibility for failing to write an unambiguous comment. I did not mean to blame the victim, and don't think I did, but I'm willing to improve the wording to not repeat what you say blames the victim. Please quote what parts can be read in a way that I didn't intend them to be. In fact, what I tried to express is that due to the way sexuality is handled in most societies, we mistreat rape victims as a result. I'm sorry I failed to be clear about that.
- Mz 10y agoYou do not need to apologize. This is a hard point to make and trying to make it is highly likely to be wildly misinterpreted, no matter your phrasing. Don't take it personally. It might help to disengage for a bit and let people say whatever dumb stuff they are going to say. You are not required to reply to every single comment. Sometimes it is more effective to be a bit selective about what you reply to. Best. Edit: You have the top comment. So some people are silently agreeing with you by upvoting you.
- KirinDave 10y agoI'm fascinated by how youve taken the majority opinion-that this woman's death was inevitable-and spun it as a courageous opinion on the face of overwhelming venom. Your opinion is not silent cheering, but rather a deafening thunder that reminds women every day of the place society as put them in. The ingenuity with which people continue to reframe every story about rape around "what drove men to do it" and to reinforce the message that such actions are a pressure from a society that is in fact biased against men's sexual needs is amazing.
- Mz 10y agoI am fascinated by your ability to put words in my mouth and make stuff up about my views whole cloth. Edit: Your comments are delicious irony given how often I get accused of being a feminist on this forum and accused of writing feminist blogposts merely for being openly female and giving my personal opinions here.
- tptacek 10y agoProbably this part of the thread isn't going to go anywhere productive. You both have things to say that I am interested in hearing --- although in this case, Michele, I think you're wrong. But at this point tone has decisively sabotaged the conversation. Doesn't matter whose fault it is; it's just a fact now.
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