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>Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive of Facebook, defended the company’s association with Mr. Thiel, emphasizing that it did not endorse his views — and much less

by gragas 10y ago

>Mark Zuckerberg, chief executive of Facebook, defended the company’s association with Mr. Thiel, emphasizing that it did not endorse his views — and much less Mr. Trump’s — but was striving to be inclusive toward those whose values differed from its own. Critics noted that if diversity was such a cherished value in Silicon Valley, why wasn’t there more of it? What an awful argument by the critics; I'm not sure that it should even be called an argument. Zuckerburg did the right thing.

Alex3917 10y ago
> What an awful argument by the critics; I'm not sure that it should even be called an argument. How is it a bad argument? At least in the U.S., the places that consider themselves the most tolerant tend to be the most segregated. E.g. the majority of the most segregated cities in the U.S. are in the northeast, the midwest, and the west coast.[1] It's been especially noticeable this election, where many Clinton supporters have been attacking Bernie for being racist because he lives in a state where minorities aren't kept in special ghettos to be used as de facto slave labor. (E.g. if you go to any gas station or restaurant in Vermont then you're likely to be served by a white person, as opposed to in NYC where these places are almost entirely staffed by minorities who are payed less than a living wage and live in segregated neighborhoods.) [1] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2015/12/08/census-shows-modest-declines-in-black-white-segregation/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2015/12/08/census-...
- gragas 10y ago
  >many Clinton supporters have been attacking Bernie for being racist because he lives in a state where minorities aren't kept in special ghettos to be used as de facto slave labor. This ideology is exactly why I'm voting for Trump.
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  - Alex3917 10y ago
    > The idea that non-white New Yorkers are forced into segregated neighborhoods is far-fetched, considering only 33% of NYC is non-hispanic white. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-are-often-the-most-segregated/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-...
- james2654 10y ago
  I'm white and used to live in the Bronx around Valentine Ave. I don't think anybody I knew felt like we lived in a segregated neighborhood. Also, plenty of people who do retail or food service work in NYC make good money, and plenty make enough to live a good life in the outer burroughs. NYC is accommodating of those that don't. I certainly never spoke to anybody who felt like we were defacto enslaved. Just one person's experience...
  - Alex3917 10y ago
    > I'm white and used to live in the Bronx around Valentine Ave. That's funny, I'm also white and currently live a few blocks from there. The point though is that you'd need a ton of hispanic people from the Bronx to move to SoHo in order to make it reflect the overall demographics of the city. > I certainly never spoke to anybody who felt like we were defacto enslaved. I mean there are tens of thousands of homeless people in NYC, many of whom have jobs. Many folks forced to live in apartments with stachybotrys, the subways are littered with folks whose skin is literally rotting off from a combination of never showering and heroin-related infections, etc.
    - thesmallestcat 10y ago
      Yea, you make quite a leap from ethnic neighborhoods to "kept in special ghettoes," but apparently only perfect geographic-racial balance disproves the existence of these ghettos. Also you equate mental illness and homelessness with slavery. I want some of what you're smoking! But seriously, if you want a white dude pumping your gas, there is Vermont as you noted, and it isn't very far from you!
      - Alex3917 10y ago
        > you make quite a leap from ethnic neighborhoods to "kept in special ghettoes" http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/100-bronx-gang-members-busted-largest-takedown-nyc-history-article-1.2615933 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/100-bronx-gang... 87 people got arrested in a single bust about 12 blocks from where I live, for a combination of selling crack and murder. They're all from the same housing projects. Yet despite being right around the corner, my neighborhood has one of the lowest violent crime rates in NYC. If that's not an example of ghettoization, I don't know what is.

by gragas 10y ago

Alex3917 10y ago

> What an awful argument by the critics; I'm not sure that it should even be called an argument. How is it a bad argument? At least in the U.S., the places that consider themselves the most tolerant tend to be the most segregated. E.g. the majority of the most segregated cities in the U.S. are in the northeast, the midwest, and the west coast.[1] It's been especially noticeable this election, where many Clinton supporters have been attacking Bernie for being racist because he lives in a state where minorities aren't kept in special ghettos to be used as de facto slave labor. (E.g. if you go to any gas station or restaurant in Vermont then you're likely to be served by a white person, as opposed to in NYC where these places are almost entirely staffed by minorities who are payed less than a living wage and live in segregated neighborhoods.) [1] https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2015/12/08/census-shows-modest-declines-in-black-white-segregation/ https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-avenue/2015/12/08/census-...

gragas 10y ago
>many Clinton supporters have been attacking Bernie for being racist because he lives in a state where minorities aren't kept in special ghettos to be used as de facto slave labor. This ideology is exactly why I'm voting for Trump.
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- Alex3917 10y ago
  > The idea that non-white New Yorkers are forced into segregated neighborhoods is far-fetched, considering only 33% of NYC is non-hispanic white. http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-are-often-the-most-segregated/ http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/the-most-diverse-cities-...
james2654 10y ago
I'm white and used to live in the Bronx around Valentine Ave. I don't think anybody I knew felt like we lived in a segregated neighborhood. Also, plenty of people who do retail or food service work in NYC make good money, and plenty make enough to live a good life in the outer burroughs. NYC is accommodating of those that don't. I certainly never spoke to anybody who felt like we were defacto enslaved. Just one person's experience...
- Alex3917 10y ago
  > I'm white and used to live in the Bronx around Valentine Ave. That's funny, I'm also white and currently live a few blocks from there. The point though is that you'd need a ton of hispanic people from the Bronx to move to SoHo in order to make it reflect the overall demographics of the city. > I certainly never spoke to anybody who felt like we were defacto enslaved. I mean there are tens of thousands of homeless people in NYC, many of whom have jobs. Many folks forced to live in apartments with stachybotrys, the subways are littered with folks whose skin is literally rotting off from a combination of never showering and heroin-related infections, etc.
  - thesmallestcat 10y ago
    Yea, you make quite a leap from ethnic neighborhoods to "kept in special ghettoes," but apparently only perfect geographic-racial balance disproves the existence of these ghettos. Also you equate mental illness and homelessness with slavery. I want some of what you're smoking! But seriously, if you want a white dude pumping your gas, there is Vermont as you noted, and it isn't very far from you!
    - Alex3917 10y ago
      > you make quite a leap from ethnic neighborhoods to "kept in special ghettoes" http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/100-bronx-gang-members-busted-largest-takedown-nyc-history-article-1.2615933 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/nyc-crime/100-bronx-gang... 87 people got arrested in a single bust about 12 blocks from where I live, for a combination of selling crack and murder. They're all from the same housing projects. Yet despite being right around the corner, my neighborhood has one of the lowest violent crime rates in NYC. If that's not an example of ghettoization, I don't know what is.