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It's not the anti-racism, it's the incessant lecturing. As an example, if Trump wins in a few weeks it won't be because half the country are racists it will be

It's not the anti-racism, it's the incessant lecturing. As an example, if Trump wins in a few weeks it won't be because half the country are racists it will be because they are tired of being lectured to as if they were.

edmccard 10y ago
>It's not the anti-racism, it's the incessant lecturing. Get it? Since when is "linking to another site" some kind of "incessant lecturing"? If you don't want to read stories on theundefeated.com, don't click the links.
- CptJamesCook 10y ago
  "I find this type of messaging across all of ESPNs platforms these days." Also, if espn owned and linked to a pro-Nazi or KKK site, I'm sure you'd quickly see my point.
hackuser 10y ago
> incessant It's an incessant, continuing problem. There is widespread, serious harm done by racism, in almost every aspect of American life (ignoring other countries for the moment). Therefore, it will be discussed frequently. It's very unbalanced to say the problem isn't all these people suffering, but that you are tired of talking about it. I'm tired of talking about Aleppo, but my tiredness isn't really an issue on the scale of things. > it won't be because half the country are racists There is a lot of racism in the U.S. In your model, who is responsible for it? How is it happening?
- golemotron 10y ago
  Racism and other in-group biases are an effect of leading people to see each other as different. If you highlight race, gender, orientation or any other number of things as categories you get in-group bias and out-group antipathy. This is basic social psychology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_group_paradigm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_group_paradigm Isn't it sad to discover that some of the things we are doing to try to solve these problems may be making them worse?
  - hackuser 10y ago
    I strongly disagree. Racism has long existed in American society and isn't going to disappear if it's ignored. Black Americans suffering from discrimination, and their fellow Americans who care about it, shouldn't keep quiet because it makes others uncomfortable. I've seen many, many excuses for not wanting to deal with the issue, but it's a serious problem and it's not going to go away.
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    - golemotron 10y ago
      The science doesn't go away just because you disagree with it. Please read into the references in that article. No one is saying to ignore racism. It's just that there may be more effective ways of tackling it.
monksy 10y ago
The funny thing is: If he does win and gets the popular vote. You're never going to hear the end from those same people about how everyone who didn't vote hilary is brain dead, sexist, bigoted, the worst ever.
- golemotron 10y ago
  That will be true no matter who wins. As Thomas Sowell put it, a racist is a Republican who has just won debate against a Democrat.

edmccard 10y ago

>It's not the anti-racism, it's the incessant lecturing. Get it? Since when is "linking to another site" some kind of "incessant lecturing"? If you don't want to read stories on theundefeated.com, don't click the links.

CptJamesCook 10y ago
"I find this type of messaging across all of ESPNs platforms these days." Also, if espn owned and linked to a pro-Nazi or KKK site, I'm sure you'd quickly see my point.

hackuser 10y ago

> incessant It's an incessant, continuing problem. There is widespread, serious harm done by racism, in almost every aspect of American life (ignoring other countries for the moment). Therefore, it will be discussed frequently. It's very unbalanced to say the problem isn't all these people suffering, but that you are tired of talking about it. I'm tired of talking about Aleppo, but my tiredness isn't really an issue on the scale of things. > it won't be because half the country are racists There is a lot of racism in the U.S. In your model, who is responsible for it? How is it happening?

golemotron 10y ago
Racism and other in-group biases are an effect of leading people to see each other as different. If you highlight race, gender, orientation or any other number of things as categories you get in-group bias and out-group antipathy. This is basic social psychology: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_group_paradigm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minimal_group_paradigm Isn't it sad to discover that some of the things we are doing to try to solve these problems may be making them worse?
- hackuser 10y ago
  I strongly disagree. Racism has long existed in American society and isn't going to disappear if it's ignored. Black Americans suffering from discrimination, and their fellow Americans who care about it, shouldn't keep quiet because it makes others uncomfortable. I've seen many, many excuses for not wanting to deal with the issue, but it's a serious problem and it's not going to go away.
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  - golemotron 10y ago
    The science doesn't go away just because you disagree with it. Please read into the references in that article. No one is saying to ignore racism. It's just that there may be more effective ways of tackling it.

monksy 10y ago

The funny thing is: If he does win and gets the popular vote. You're never going to hear the end from those same people about how everyone who didn't vote hilary is brain dead, sexist, bigoted, the worst ever.

golemotron 10y ago
That will be true no matter who wins. As Thomas Sowell put it, a racist is a Republican who has just won debate against a Democrat.