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This confuses me a lot. What narrative is ESPN pushing? I'm pretty sure both they and the NFL would prefer players do not protest the national anthem - it's a c

by untog 10y ago

This confuses me a lot. What narrative is ESPN pushing? I'm pretty sure both they and the NFL would prefer players do not protest the national anthem - it's a controversy with little financial up side. But it's the players that are protesting. Is the suggestion that ESPN should be ignoring it, or refusing to broadcast it? Because that seems counterproductive for everyone involved.

carsongross 10y ago
It is understandable how one might be confused when one swims in that narrative, but, as an example, things like this: http://www.espn.com/espys/2015/story/_/id/13264599/caitlyn-jenner-accepts-arthur-ashe-courage-award-espys-ashe2015 http://www.espn.com/espys/2015/story/_/id/13264599/caitlyn-j... are going to be poorly received by a number of ESPN's (previously) core demographics.
- jomamaxx 10y ago
  Why would this comment be down-voted? Putting Jenner on the front page of your anything is going to be wildly controversial and upsetting / offensive to a good chunk of people. This just a fact not a moral statement. I'd suggest this 'social' issue may possibly be at least one of the factors in the decline, it would be difficult to prove, nevertheless, it's a perfectly reasonable speculation. Americans do protest with their wallets. It'd be nice to see some time-based data for their decline - overlaid with cable cutting trends.
- dcosson 10y ago
  At the risk of contributing to the madness... It just baffles my mind how the right continues to insist that accepting people is a political issue, and that it is perfectly legitimate to take the for or against side on it. And all in the name of Jesus! (who spent his entire life accepting marginalized people).
  - jessaustin 10y ago
    You're right, but the point stands that this sort of coverage isn't going to make much money. Normal people are just bored by Jenner at this point. There are several dozen people still fascinated by her, but they're not ESPN's core demographic. And then there are a large number of people who find this sort of coverage so objectionable that they'll cancel service rather than change the channel. ISTM people who don't watch much sports think that NBC's Olympic coverage is typical sports coverage. Jenner would fit right into that execrable human-interest pablum, but actual sports fans who watch lots of sports can't stand it.
  - alphapapa 10y ago
    > And all in the name of Jesus! (who spent his entire life accepting marginalized people). This is an example of telling half-truths. Jesus spoke truth. He condemned sin. He specifically confirmed the Creation order of male and female. If Jesus were here today, he would have compassion for those who do not understand their gender, but he would not endorse enabling their confusion. In fact, his greatest criticism on the issue would be directed at those in power and authority who encourage people to deny the reality of their physical bodies and try to become something they cannot, just as he warned against causing others to stumble.
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CptJamesCook 10y ago
ESPN recently launched a new site: theundefeated.com They link out to it aggressively from the homepage of espn.com. It is a very strong SJW site that I often find cringeworthy. Here is a story from today: http://theundefeated.com/allday/daily-dose-102816/ http://theundefeated.com/allday/daily-dose-102816/ "Did you know that not all black people live in the inner city? Did you know that not all inner cities are ghettos? Did you know that conflating all three of these things contributes to a harmful mindset that causes many Americans and others across the globe to believe that people of color aren’t even aware enough of their own condition to be given agency of themselves in larger society? Oh, you didn’t? Well, now you do. On Thursday, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump proved that all of what I just said, is news to him." I find this type of messaging across all of ESPNs platforms these days, and I can see how it turns off many subscribers.
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- atomi 10y ago
  What's wrong with that? 70% of NFL players are African Americans who by and large, for whatever reason, think Trump is a racist.
  - shawn-furyan 10y ago
    'for whatever reason' I think his numerous, recurring, overtly and thinly veiled racist remarks may play a role.
  - tdkl 10y ago
    > 70% of NFL players are African Americans Showing that Kaepernick is a dumbass and a hypocrite. [1] And that's what parent meant. It's a play to get extra 15 minutes of fame that modern media provides, because it has an extra narrative for this kind of content. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGueTYN-Ve8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGueTYN-Ve8

by untog 10y ago

carsongross 10y ago

It is understandable how one might be confused when one swims in that narrative, but, as an example, things like this: http://www.espn.com/espys/2015/story/_/id/13264599/caitlyn-jenner-accepts-arthur-ashe-courage-award-espys-ashe2015 http://www.espn.com/espys/2015/story/_/id/13264599/caitlyn-j... are going to be poorly received by a number of ESPN's (previously) core demographics.

jomamaxx 10y ago
Why would this comment be down-voted? Putting Jenner on the front page of your anything is going to be wildly controversial and upsetting / offensive to a good chunk of people. This just a fact not a moral statement. I'd suggest this 'social' issue may possibly be at least one of the factors in the decline, it would be difficult to prove, nevertheless, it's a perfectly reasonable speculation. Americans do protest with their wallets. It'd be nice to see some time-based data for their decline - overlaid with cable cutting trends.
dcosson 10y ago
At the risk of contributing to the madness... It just baffles my mind how the right continues to insist that accepting people is a political issue, and that it is perfectly legitimate to take the for or against side on it. And all in the name of Jesus! (who spent his entire life accepting marginalized people).
- jessaustin 10y ago
  You're right, but the point stands that this sort of coverage isn't going to make much money. Normal people are just bored by Jenner at this point. There are several dozen people still fascinated by her, but they're not ESPN's core demographic. And then there are a large number of people who find this sort of coverage so objectionable that they'll cancel service rather than change the channel. ISTM people who don't watch much sports think that NBC's Olympic coverage is typical sports coverage. Jenner would fit right into that execrable human-interest pablum, but actual sports fans who watch lots of sports can't stand it.
- alphapapa 10y ago
  > And all in the name of Jesus! (who spent his entire life accepting marginalized people). This is an example of telling half-truths. Jesus spoke truth. He condemned sin. He specifically confirmed the Creation order of male and female. If Jesus were here today, he would have compassion for those who do not understand their gender, but he would not endorse enabling their confusion. In fact, his greatest criticism on the issue would be directed at those in power and authority who encourage people to deny the reality of their physical bodies and try to become something they cannot, just as he warned against causing others to stumble.
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CptJamesCook 10y ago

ESPN recently launched a new site: theundefeated.com They link out to it aggressively from the homepage of espn.com. It is a very strong SJW site that I often find cringeworthy. Here is a story from today: http://theundefeated.com/allday/daily-dose-102816/ http://theundefeated.com/allday/daily-dose-102816/ "Did you know that not all black people live in the inner city? Did you know that not all inner cities are ghettos? Did you know that conflating all three of these things contributes to a harmful mindset that causes many Americans and others across the globe to believe that people of color aren’t even aware enough of their own condition to be given agency of themselves in larger society? Oh, you didn’t? Well, now you do. On Thursday, Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump proved that all of what I just said, is news to him." I find this type of messaging across all of ESPNs platforms these days, and I can see how it turns off many subscribers.

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atomi 10y ago
What's wrong with that? 70% of NFL players are African Americans who by and large, for whatever reason, think Trump is a racist.
- shawn-furyan 10y ago
  'for whatever reason' I think his numerous, recurring, overtly and thinly veiled racist remarks may play a role.
- tdkl 10y ago
  > 70% of NFL players are African Americans Showing that Kaepernick is a dumbass and a hypocrite. [1] And that's what parent meant. It's a play to get extra 15 minutes of fame that modern media provides, because it has an extra narrative for this kind of content. [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGueTYN-Ve8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGueTYN-Ve8