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People discriminate every day. I discriminate against restaurants and babysitters and businesses all the time. Sometimes those discriminations are because of a

People discriminate every day. I discriminate against restaurants and babysitters and businesses all the time. Sometimes those discriminations are because of a feeling. Sometimes they are are based on my internal biases. Sometimes I disagree with the choices a business has made and if affects whether or not I do business with them. Why do we make such a big deal about "discrimination?" It's built into who we are as people.

js8 10y ago
I think it's about scale. If you as a single individual discriminate, no big deal. If a nation or a large corporation discriminates, it causes serious problems. Also, it's somewhat OK to discriminate against behavior that can be changed. So businesses are OK to be discriminated against, they are after all human creation. But we shouldn't discriminate on the basis of race or sex or ethnicity, because these are impossible to change.
ddorian43 10y ago
One idea/theory/conspiracy that I have is explained in this Yuri Bezmenov "Brainwashing a nation" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 . It says that you fund counter-culture movements as much as possible for them to go completely full-scale. Examples: Black lives matter (which was a honest one at first) then went full kamikaze. Let's bring 1M+ syrians, what could go wrong (when Albania was in ~civil-unrest in 1997 all borders closed). Multiculturalism is ok friend. All cultures are equal (they're not, many suck, like roma example that I gave in another comment).
redditmigrant 10y ago
If some of us weren't constantly trying to get over our base instincts of discrimination we would still be in the times of segregation. If your subconscious discrimination is constantly being pointed out through various channels, it starts causing you to question it. Obviously it's slow and might take generations, but that's the nature of the process. I will give you a personal example - I grew up in a country where making fun of gay/transgender people is very common. So subconsciously I judged and probably discriminated against gay/transgender people. When I moved to California and I heard and saw the messages of marriage equality I started to question my subconscious. Now I'm at the point where watching movies from my home country makes me cringe every time a crass gay joke gets cracked.
meira 10y ago
So is corruption (both have even a connection). Should we accept and embrace all societies biases as ok?
rokhayakebe 10y ago
You are obviously not being discriminating against where it matters. Here are a few examples that wouldn't be a big deal to you accordingly: 1) School says they won't accept your daughter, but hey it's not a big deal according to you 2) Neighborhood won't let you buy a house you like because they don't like your wife's skin color, but hey it's not a big deal 3) You are getting paid less at work and skipped for promotion in favor of Elmud because he is one of them and you are not, but hey it's not a big deal Discrimination IS NOT ok. It IS NOT built into us. It is an acquired taste. Bad taste. First we accept the issue then we work on fixing it.
- dwaltrip 10y ago
  I'm pretty sure the scientific consensus is still out on how much of discrimination stems from innate tendencies. If you have any reputable sources that say otherwise, it would be interesting to see them. My hunch is that the dynamics are far too complex amorphous for us to definitively pin down the causes any time soon. Nonetheless, I don't think this is important for your main point. We have been working around our suboptimal innate tendencies for millennia.
  - rokhayakebe 10y ago
    Hmmm no my friend. If it were innate than you would have to conclude that babies already know their skin color and that there are others who are of different color. What makes it even more wrong is that fact that many discriminate not based on color but based on culture. Again then this would assume that we are born knowing our cultural differences. If we are born with this knowledge I wonder what other knowledge we were blessed with prior to birth. It is acquired. My theory is that all discrimination stems from sexual fear, but I cannot prove this so I'll leave the argument for another day. I went to kindergarten in a super mixed school: whites, asians, blacks in a country where 99% of the population is black. My attitude towards whites (asians were considered white as well) was always different from my friends who never dealt with whites let alone have white friends. I went to Christian schools from kindergarten all the way to high school in a country where 95% of the population is Muslim. My point of view towards Christians was different to some extent. I dated Whites, Middle Easterns, Blacks, lived with Chinese, Middle Eastern and a White person at some point in my life. My attitude towards people of different color is different from some of my friends who never spent much time with similar folks. What creates discrimination is just the world view we create for ourselves based on our surrounding.

js8 10y ago

I think it's about scale. If you as a single individual discriminate, no big deal. If a nation or a large corporation discriminates, it causes serious problems. Also, it's somewhat OK to discriminate against behavior that can be changed. So businesses are OK to be discriminated against, they are after all human creation. But we shouldn't discriminate on the basis of race or sex or ethnicity, because these are impossible to change.

ddorian43 10y ago

One idea/theory/conspiracy that I have is explained in this Yuri Bezmenov "Brainwashing a nation" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5It1zarINv0 . It says that you fund counter-culture movements as much as possible for them to go completely full-scale. Examples: Black lives matter (which was a honest one at first) then went full kamikaze. Let's bring 1M+ syrians, what could go wrong (when Albania was in ~civil-unrest in 1997 all borders closed). Multiculturalism is ok friend. All cultures are equal (they're not, many suck, like roma example that I gave in another comment).

redditmigrant 10y ago

If some of us weren't constantly trying to get over our base instincts of discrimination we would still be in the times of segregation. If your subconscious discrimination is constantly being pointed out through various channels, it starts causing you to question it. Obviously it's slow and might take generations, but that's the nature of the process. I will give you a personal example - I grew up in a country where making fun of gay/transgender people is very common. So subconsciously I judged and probably discriminated against gay/transgender people. When I moved to California and I heard and saw the messages of marriage equality I started to question my subconscious. Now I'm at the point where watching movies from my home country makes me cringe every time a crass gay joke gets cracked.

meira 10y ago

So is corruption (both have even a connection). Should we accept and embrace all societies biases as ok?

rokhayakebe 10y ago

You are obviously not being discriminating against where it matters. Here are a few examples that wouldn't be a big deal to you accordingly: 1) School says they won't accept your daughter, but hey it's not a big deal according to you 2) Neighborhood won't let you buy a house you like because they don't like your wife's skin color, but hey it's not a big deal 3) You are getting paid less at work and skipped for promotion in favor of Elmud because he is one of them and you are not, but hey it's not a big deal Discrimination IS NOT ok. It IS NOT built into us. It is an acquired taste. Bad taste. First we accept the issue then we work on fixing it.

dwaltrip 10y ago
I'm pretty sure the scientific consensus is still out on how much of discrimination stems from innate tendencies. If you have any reputable sources that say otherwise, it would be interesting to see them. My hunch is that the dynamics are far too complex amorphous for us to definitively pin down the causes any time soon. Nonetheless, I don't think this is important for your main point. We have been working around our suboptimal innate tendencies for millennia.
- rokhayakebe 10y ago
  Hmmm no my friend. If it were innate than you would have to conclude that babies already know their skin color and that there are others who are of different color. What makes it even more wrong is that fact that many discriminate not based on color but based on culture. Again then this would assume that we are born knowing our cultural differences. If we are born with this knowledge I wonder what other knowledge we were blessed with prior to birth. It is acquired. My theory is that all discrimination stems from sexual fear, but I cannot prove this so I'll leave the argument for another day. I went to kindergarten in a super mixed school: whites, asians, blacks in a country where 99% of the population is black. My attitude towards whites (asians were considered white as well) was always different from my friends who never dealt with whites let alone have white friends. I went to Christian schools from kindergarten all the way to high school in a country where 95% of the population is Muslim. My point of view towards Christians was different to some extent. I dated Whites, Middle Easterns, Blacks, lived with Chinese, Middle Eastern and a White person at some point in my life. My attitude towards people of different color is different from some of my friends who never spent much time with similar folks. What creates discrimination is just the world view we create for ourselves based on our surrounding.