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It will probably become a selling point for new construction once it gets cheap enough. So it will be more like crapware installed on a new PC, except inside yo

by deegles 10y ago

It will probably become a selling point for new construction once it gets cheap enough. So it will be more like crapware installed on a new PC, except inside your walls. :)

pjc50 10y ago
Oh god, it's going to have to be on the structural reports. "House is at risk from subsidence and there's Heartbleed in the heating system"
tunap 10y ago
It doesn't have to be crap if it is modular and upgradeable. Executive controller, hardware controllers, sensors and switches need to be serviceable/upgradeable. The paramount feature(or lack of) would be to keep it air gapped. As soon as you connect it to the net, all is lost & you are now a slave to fees from an SaaS that may be gone in a year, security updates and haxor shenanigans. A truly automated system doesnt require your input after roll-out & dialing. Of course, that does mean no cool app to fiddle with.
- pavel_lishin 10y ago
  Computers are modular and upgradeable, but we still have Bonzi Buddy and the AdSearchMoneyDollars browser toolbars, and pre-installed bloatware (and backdoors!) bundled by manufacturers.
  - tunap 10y ago
    Yep, everything changes when you network w/ the outside world. My point is a home-rolled, air-gapped system has no chronic needs for updates, bloat purges & pen-testing. A static platform, set it & forget it, is the benefit I value. That and nobody indexing my activities for profit.
    - pavel_lishin 10y ago
      > A static platform, set it & forget it, is the benefit I value. Wait, you just said above: > It doesn't have to be crap if it is modular and upgradeable. Executive controller, hardware controllers, sensors and switches need to be serviceable/upgradeable.
      - tunap 10y ago
        Components break, sensors die, contacts get rough. 3rd party applications are unnecessary for the specifically coded purpose. Not being connected negates the need for security updates. And over time, the operator may choose to upgrade the platform at his or her sole discretion.

by deegles 10y ago

It will probably become a selling point for new construction once it gets cheap enough. So it will be more like crapware installed on a new PC, except inside your walls. :)

pjc50 10y ago

Oh god, it's going to have to be on the structural reports. "House is at risk from subsidence and there's Heartbleed in the heating system"

tunap 10y ago

It doesn't have to be crap if it is modular and upgradeable. Executive controller, hardware controllers, sensors and switches need to be serviceable/upgradeable. The paramount feature(or lack of) would be to keep it air gapped. As soon as you connect it to the net, all is lost & you are now a slave to fees from an SaaS that may be gone in a year, security updates and haxor shenanigans. A truly automated system doesnt require your input after roll-out & dialing. Of course, that does mean no cool app to fiddle with.

pavel_lishin 10y ago
Computers are modular and upgradeable, but we still have Bonzi Buddy and the AdSearchMoneyDollars browser toolbars, and pre-installed bloatware (and backdoors!) bundled by manufacturers.
- tunap 10y ago
  Yep, everything changes when you network w/ the outside world. My point is a home-rolled, air-gapped system has no chronic needs for updates, bloat purges & pen-testing. A static platform, set it & forget it, is the benefit I value. That and nobody indexing my activities for profit.
  - pavel_lishin 10y ago
    > A static platform, set it & forget it, is the benefit I value. Wait, you just said above: > It doesn't have to be crap if it is modular and upgradeable. Executive controller, hardware controllers, sensors and switches need to be serviceable/upgradeable.
    - tunap 10y ago
      Components break, sensors die, contacts get rough. 3rd party applications are unnecessary for the specifically coded purpose. Not being connected negates the need for security updates. And over time, the operator may choose to upgrade the platform at his or her sole discretion.