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In before the PHP hate.. But seriously, this is a great move, and hopefully the start of helping other cities and municipalities provide more services to their

by sbarre 10y ago

In before the PHP hate.. But seriously, this is a great move, and hopefully the start of helping other cities and municipalities provide more services to their citizens! There was a startup discussed on here recently that was a SaaS platform for city management, I wonder if they have APIs that could be integrated into something like this.

robalfonso 10y ago
The project is built from drupal, the same CMS is used for whitehouse.gov. It seems drupal is seeing a pretty good up take for these types of websites.
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- ArtDev 10y ago
  Enterprise Drupal is huge. As a Drupal frontender, I still get suprised when I discover another common site I use is actually on Drupal.
- sandGorgon 10y ago
  are you aware of why this is so? is it that the talent around this sector is drupal based... or the CMS nature of the platform is something that bureaucracy likes?
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  - snowwrestler 10y ago
    The security story for Drupal is quite good from the government perspective. It is used by many serious organizations, so there are a lot people to find bugs and problems. The Drupal community have a formalized standing security committee who cover the core code and the most commonly used modules. They issue security patches on a predictable, regular schedule. And many of the core developers are employed by one company--Acquia--who sells enterprise software support subscriptions. That checks a lot of boxes for enterprises in general, and governments in particular. Plus it is a very powerful framework but is way cheaper than "traditional" license-based enterprise solutions like Oracle CMS. And it's open source, which is citizen-friendly and gives governments better long-term ownership of their technology. Finally, although Drupal developers are their own sort of special flower (hopefully changing with Drupal 8), there are a lot of them and a lot of companies that provide Drupal development. So if you have to fire a vendor, you'll be able to find another one to step in without too much fuss.
- limeyy 10y ago
  All European government websites are also built on Drupal. It has become the defacto standard. Unfortunately, because it's a big mess indeed.
  - germanier 10y ago
    All can't be right because at least the system of the German federal government "Government Site Builder" is based on CoreMedia 8, which is a Java CMS.
  - johneth 10y ago
    > All European government websites are also built on Drupal. I know at least one that isn't: https://gov.uk/ https://gov.uk/ They also open-source all their stuff: https://github.com/alphagov https://github.com/alphagov
hiou 10y ago
Please don't lump PHP into the pile of shameful garbage that is the DrupalPress world. Most Drupal developers don't even know how to write modern production quality PHP since one does very little writing of PHP when building a Drupal based website. I've even spoken to a couple people who consider working with Drupal for an extended period of time an automatic disqualification for applicants of PHP developer positions. There is a lot of great PHP being written these days. It's just far, far away from DrupalPress.
- Pxtl 10y ago
  Is there a good alternative to Drupal? I haven't peeked under the hood but as a user I was super impressed with how easily I could snap together a heavily customized Drupal site with user-driven contributions that were well-structured. Not just blogs, but we were running maps for the Cube /Sauerbraten game engines with screenshots and compatibility-tags whatnot, and use flexinode to provide a consistent structure to the list of content. Users could rate the content, comment, moderate comments, etc. The plugin system was well-curated and the config pages were powerful and clear. Drupal may be awful under the hood, but I was very impressed with how much I could do without peeking under there or even googling "how do I X?". I'd love to see somebody take a modern tech stack like .Net Core and Postgres or something like that and build a cleaner version of same.
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- sbarre 10y ago
  My comment was less about the underlying platform and more about the approach of sharing their work.

by sbarre 10y ago

robalfonso 10y ago

The project is built from drupal, the same CMS is used for whitehouse.gov. It seems drupal is seeing a pretty good up take for these types of websites.

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ArtDev 10y ago
Enterprise Drupal is huge. As a Drupal frontender, I still get suprised when I discover another common site I use is actually on Drupal.
sandGorgon 10y ago
are you aware of why this is so? is it that the talent around this sector is drupal based... or the CMS nature of the platform is something that bureaucracy likes?
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  [deleted]
- snowwrestler 10y ago
  The security story for Drupal is quite good from the government perspective. It is used by many serious organizations, so there are a lot people to find bugs and problems. The Drupal community have a formalized standing security committee who cover the core code and the most commonly used modules. They issue security patches on a predictable, regular schedule. And many of the core developers are employed by one company--Acquia--who sells enterprise software support subscriptions. That checks a lot of boxes for enterprises in general, and governments in particular. Plus it is a very powerful framework but is way cheaper than "traditional" license-based enterprise solutions like Oracle CMS. And it's open source, which is citizen-friendly and gives governments better long-term ownership of their technology. Finally, although Drupal developers are their own sort of special flower (hopefully changing with Drupal 8), there are a lot of them and a lot of companies that provide Drupal development. So if you have to fire a vendor, you'll be able to find another one to step in without too much fuss.
limeyy 10y ago
All European government websites are also built on Drupal. It has become the defacto standard. Unfortunately, because it's a big mess indeed.
- germanier 10y ago
  All can't be right because at least the system of the German federal government "Government Site Builder" is based on CoreMedia 8, which is a Java CMS.
- johneth 10y ago
  > All European government websites are also built on Drupal. I know at least one that isn't: https://gov.uk/ https://gov.uk/ They also open-source all their stuff: https://github.com/alphagov https://github.com/alphagov

hiou 10y ago

Please don't lump PHP into the pile of shameful garbage that is the DrupalPress world. Most Drupal developers don't even know how to write modern production quality PHP since one does very little writing of PHP when building a Drupal based website. I've even spoken to a couple people who consider working with Drupal for an extended period of time an automatic disqualification for applicants of PHP developer positions. There is a lot of great PHP being written these days. It's just far, far away from DrupalPress.

Pxtl 10y ago
Is there a good alternative to Drupal? I haven't peeked under the hood but as a user I was super impressed with how easily I could snap together a heavily customized Drupal site with user-driven contributions that were well-structured. Not just blogs, but we were running maps for the Cube /Sauerbraten game engines with screenshots and compatibility-tags whatnot, and use flexinode to provide a consistent structure to the list of content. Users could rate the content, comment, moderate comments, etc. The plugin system was well-curated and the config pages were powerful and clear. Drupal may be awful under the hood, but I was very impressed with how much I could do without peeking under there or even googling "how do I X?". I'd love to see somebody take a modern tech stack like .Net Core and Postgres or something like that and build a cleaner version of same.
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sbarre 10y ago
My comment was less about the underlying platform and more about the approach of sharing their work.