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> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has

> And Trump is the one threatening our democracy? He has stated that if elected, he'll spend the first 100 days suing his accusers. He believes the press has too much freedom of speech. He has claimed the election is rigged against him, and has all but told his supporters to engage in vote suppression. He has said he will attempt to force all Muslims to register into a database. He has said he will ban all Muslims from entering the nation. Would you like me to go? If you listen to his words at campaign rallies, they bear a striking resemblance to fascist dictators on the rise. Clinton may fit the mold of the "crooked Washington politician", but at the least, she has a basic respect for democracy. Trump, on the other hand, would attempt to utterly plow his way through our legal system for his own gain.

swissoak 10y ago
This is all disingenuous hyperbole. There are plenty of terrible things to pin on Trump without inflating bullshit memes. There is a nugget of truth to some of what you say, but it is not said or meant in the way you state it, and there's no nuggets of truth in anything I have seen that has anything to do with subverting the voting system.
- Delmania 10y ago
  This is how I know you've never listened to anything Trump has said on the campaign trail. In fact, just yesterday, he said the nation should cancel the election and name him the winner: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/donald-trump-cancel-election/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/donald-trump-cancel-e....
  - swissoak 10y ago
    He was obviously not serious in a literal sense of his words. He was making a point. It'd be like being a football coach shit talking before a game - "the other team should give up, they don't stand a chance". He doesn't literally mean they should give up. This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought. I cannot believe you are seriously try to suggest he meant that in the sense that he wants to subvert the election process.
    - Delmania 10y ago
      Wait, should I bring the point at which he said, during a national TV debate, that he would keep us in suspense about his decision to accept the outcome of the election? Then later state he would only accept it if he won? Maybe we should discuss the form on his website that says, “stop crooked Hillary from rigging this election.”? How about his claims of voter fraud despite the fact that no evidence has been found? >This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought. Ad hominen attack, but I suspect you support Trump.
      - swissoak 10y ago
        For the record, I don't support Trump. I think it's highly likely he has sexually assaulted women in the past, I think he's tremendously unqualified to be president, his plan to lower corporate income tax is complete bullshit, and even if he hasn't explicitly said anything racist (I'm not informed enough to say either way) I think it's awful that he's cultivating racists around him unapologetically. Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today.
        xenadu02 10y ago
        > Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today. What is so confusing here? Trump has stated repeatedly that if he loses the election was rigged. He was not joking, he was dead serious. He repeated the claim multiple times. He even refused the settle the issue during the third debate. That statement alone is a disqualifying event for any politician. Looking at your other posts I don't believe you about voting third party, you're an obvious Trump supporter. Why lie about it?
luxuryballs 10y ago
He won't be suing anyone from the Oval Office. His lawyers will be suing people after the election for making up false accusations, which is still this year, still during the Obama administration... Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?
- cmdrfred 10y ago
  >Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already? No actually, they all decided together an hour before the the email leaks were about to be released to the public about things that happened decades ago and to release a tape of him. That clearly has no political motivation what-so-ever and how dare you question it.
luxuryballs 10y ago
The reason he said it was 'rigged' is because of the overwhelming bias and frankly twilight-zone behavior of the media who are clearly donating to Clinton and wanting to maintain whatever special privileges they have under Obama. We have a real problem with the press in this country... great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsnMuaFjhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsnMuaFjhE
- Delmania 10y ago
  Yes, I've seen that interview, where Gingrinch accused Kelley of being fascinated with sex and then attempted to use Bill Clinton's indiscretions as some sort of way to discredit Hillary. This is after he talked to his exwife about divorce while she was recovering from cancer and then later has an affair. At that point, it was clear the interview served no useful purpose. Additionally, all major media publications have come out in support of Trump for the simple fact he has, in no way shape or form, demonstrated any leadership capabilities. He tweeted at 3 am for days following the first campaign about the Miss USA issue. How does demonstrate a steady hand and patience?
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  - swissoak 10y ago
    Oh no, he tweeted at 3AM. Obviously unqualified to be President. Pathetic.
    - chris11 10y ago
      He tweeted at three a.m. that people should look for a non-existent sex tape because he got his feelings hurt that a model he called fat was publicly supporting Hillary. I for one hope our president isn't concerned about how much models weigh. And if they are, I hope they don't respond to criticism by slut-shaming that person, especially for something they didn't do. So, no suggesting at 3 am that people investigate the sex life of someone who attacked him isn't very presidential.
williamle8300 10y ago
Are you dizzy from all of the spinning?

swissoak 10y ago

This is all disingenuous hyperbole. There are plenty of terrible things to pin on Trump without inflating bullshit memes. There is a nugget of truth to some of what you say, but it is not said or meant in the way you state it, and there's no nuggets of truth in anything I have seen that has anything to do with subverting the voting system.

Delmania 10y ago
This is how I know you've never listened to anything Trump has said on the campaign trail. In fact, just yesterday, he said the nation should cancel the election and name him the winner: http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/donald-trump-cancel-election/index.html http://www.cnn.com/2016/10/27/politics/donald-trump-cancel-e....
- swissoak 10y ago
  He was obviously not serious in a literal sense of his words. He was making a point. It'd be like being a football coach shit talking before a game - "the other team should give up, they don't stand a chance". He doesn't literally mean they should give up. This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought. I cannot believe you are seriously try to suggest he meant that in the sense that he wants to subvert the election process.
  - Delmania 10y ago
    Wait, should I bring the point at which he said, during a national TV debate, that he would keep us in suspense about his decision to accept the outcome of the election? Then later state he would only accept it if he won? Maybe we should discuss the form on his website that says, “stop crooked Hillary from rigging this election.”? How about his claims of voter fraud despite the fact that no evidence has been found? >This is so blindly obvious to me and anyone else who's capable of a rational thought. Ad hominen attack, but I suspect you support Trump.
    - swissoak 10y ago
      For the record, I don't support Trump. I think it's highly likely he has sexually assaulted women in the past, I think he's tremendously unqualified to be president, his plan to lower corporate income tax is complete bullshit, and even if he hasn't explicitly said anything racist (I'm not informed enough to say either way) I think it's awful that he's cultivating racists around him unapologetically. Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today.
      - xenadu02 10y ago
        > Despite all this, I am fucking sick and tired at the outright lies, slander, and disingenuous arguments against Trump. There is plenty to attack him on without all the bullshit. And I'm sick of the Hillary reality distortion that is, from what I can tell, the absolute epitome of everything wrong with politics today. What is so confusing here? Trump has stated repeatedly that if he loses the election was rigged. He was not joking, he was dead serious. He repeated the claim multiple times. He even refused the settle the issue during the third debate. That statement alone is a disqualifying event for any politician. Looking at your other posts I don't believe you about voting third party, you're an obvious Trump supporter. Why lie about it?

luxuryballs 10y ago

He won't be suing anyone from the Oval Office. His lawyers will be suing people after the election for making up false accusations, which is still this year, still during the Obama administration... Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already?

cmdrfred 10y ago
>Does anyone REALLY think that someone who was sexually assaulted by a BILLIONAIRE wouldn't have cashed in already? No actually, they all decided together an hour before the the email leaks were about to be released to the public about things that happened decades ago and to release a tape of him. That clearly has no political motivation what-so-ever and how dare you question it.

luxuryballs 10y ago

The reason he said it was 'rigged' is because of the overwhelming bias and frankly twilight-zone behavior of the media who are clearly donating to Clinton and wanting to maintain whatever special privileges they have under Obama. We have a real problem with the press in this country... great example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsnMuaFjhE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVsnMuaFjhE

Delmania 10y ago
Yes, I've seen that interview, where Gingrinch accused Kelley of being fascinated with sex and then attempted to use Bill Clinton's indiscretions as some sort of way to discredit Hillary. This is after he talked to his exwife about divorce while she was recovering from cancer and then later has an affair. At that point, it was clear the interview served no useful purpose. Additionally, all major media publications have come out in support of Trump for the simple fact he has, in no way shape or form, demonstrated any leadership capabilities. He tweeted at 3 am for days following the first campaign about the Miss USA issue. How does demonstrate a steady hand and patience?
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- swissoak 10y ago
  Oh no, he tweeted at 3AM. Obviously unqualified to be President. Pathetic.
  - chris11 10y ago
    He tweeted at three a.m. that people should look for a non-existent sex tape because he got his feelings hurt that a model he called fat was publicly supporting Hillary. I for one hope our president isn't concerned about how much models weigh. And if they are, I hope they don't respond to criticism by slut-shaming that person, especially for something they didn't do. So, no suggesting at 3 am that people investigate the sex life of someone who attacked him isn't very presidential.

williamle8300 10y ago

Are you dizzy from all of the spinning?