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Army Tests Flying Robo-Sniper

46 points by philf 16y ago

Estragon 16y ago
The name needs changing. But the Autonomous Rotorcraft Sniper System looks like it may have a big future — maybe on land, or maybe at sea. Or maybe in LA? http://tinyurl.com/foucault-google-books http://tinyurl.com/foucault-google-books
- stcredzero 16y ago
  Sniper Autonomous Rotorcraft? Plural could be SARs, or a networked system would be SARS.
stcredzero 16y ago
I proposed this idea around the time the last pirate attacks were in the news. Merchant ships could provide some sort of landing pad and automatically detaching power umbilical. Such drones could "visit" transiting merchant vessels and land there to loiter in good weather. Once the merchant is out of danger, the drone could fly to its next assignment. My original idea involved launchers in standard cargo containers, linking to a remote control facility on demand by satellite, but independent drones only requiring such landing pads would be even cheaper.
- nazgulnarsil 16y ago
  costs are too high currently for escorting anything but very high value targets. that will change over time though.
ghotli 16y ago
This is one of the most frightening things I've seen on HN. A fleet of these killing machines would be so much more effective than ground troops at "killing the enemy". What bothers me is that if these are so much cheaper to make, and more accurate with less collateral damage then it makes our regime more effective at snuffing out foreigners that intelligence deems as dangerous for one reason or another. It seems that this is one of those devices that you can not fight with, especially if they are deployed in great numbers. What do you do, stay inside if the U.S has deemed you a threat? Hack it to try to take control of it? That seems like a scarier proposition and one that is much more likely. We're concerned that "loose nukes" will fall into the hands of "the enemy". An attack like that would cause great collateral damage. Eighty years from now, will we be worried about a competing economy that has the technical prowess to create such a killing machine as is linked in this article? Eisenhower warned us in his final speech as president against the Military-Industrial Complex that drives our capitalist nation to create more effective and more deadly weapons. Does mankind need this kind of weaponry? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex
- plinkplonk 16y ago
  "Eighty years from now, will we be worried about a competing economy that has the technical prowess to create such a killing machine as is linked in this article? " Some economies are close. And it won't take eighty years. Try 10-15 at worst. And then we build sniper killers! (goes back to coding an "emerging economy" military system)
- kiiski 16y ago
  "It seems that this is one of those devices that you can not fight with, especially if they are deployed in great numbers. What do you do, stay inside if the U.S has deemed you a threat? Hack it to try to take control of it? That seems like a scarier proposition and one that is much more likely." Logically you just build an automated robotic anti-sniper system that shoots down any of these as soon as they get in range. That shouldn't be much of a problem for any military force with decent recourses nowadays.
  - ghotli 16y ago
    A good point, yet that again causes an escalation of an "arms race" of this kind of weaponry. It's also a matter of logistics, where do you deploy the anti-sniper drone equipment? Around everywhere a sensitive target may go? I suppose I'm not arguing that these things won't continue to be built and countermeasures won't be adapted to that kind of warfare. It was merely meant as an expression of the general concern that our modern societies keep working toward very efficient and accurate ways to kill one another. It was stated more out of the depression that I know that just posting my thoughts to the internet won't do much good. Yet it's something that's worth mentioning in between the cacophony of other shouting voices wishing that things were this way or that. At least a subset of individuals I consider my peers have seen it, and thought about it at least once today.
    - roboneal 16y ago
      "Our modern societies keep working toward very efficient and accurate ways to kill one another" We could always go back to the less accurate ways of killing each other like a good old fashion Viking raid, barbarian hordes, firebombing cities Dresden style, concentration camps, and let's not forget Fatman & Little Boy.
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mdg 16y ago
Sounds just like the Death Star
rthomas6 16y ago
>The name needs changing. What about the Autonomous Sniper System? Or the Autonomous Rotocraft Sniper Engine? It was so close, I just had to make the joke.
- WiseWeasel 16y ago
  Reconnaissance, Observation and Vital Execution Rotocraft, for a little throw-back to the old Prisoner series...
jared314 16y ago
It sounds like the key will be effective communication between the operators and ground forces.
DanielBMarkham 16y ago
I think this is A. Big. Deal. Probably much more so than most other UAV news. Having a silent sniper sitting at 3 thousand feet just below the cloud deck with the ability to pick off targets up to a mile (making up some 2nd generation specs, but bear with me) is a total game-changer in all kinds of ways. Ideally a blimp would be better than a freaking expensive helicopter, and satellite/laser modes of operation would be better still (perhaps) In World War II, the Japanese sent a balloon barrage across the pacific to set fires up and down the West Coast. It was such a success that officials put a lid on press accounts for fear that the Japanese would realize what they were on to. Now imagine hundreds of these suckers, small and silent, moving across a city while camouflaged against the sky. It would be like the apocalypse. The only recourse I can see is for the entire population to live inside and underground. Amazing.
run4yourlives 16y ago
This isn't really a threat to an established military operation. Just another risk on the battlefield. A simple decoy/killer routine should be pretty effective in taking them out. It's hard to make a vehicle both air worthy and armoured. The major issue I see is that this is a terror organization's wet dream. Instead of dirty bombs and nukes, you can easily establish a fleet of these things and let them loose on a city. Put them on blimps, set them for about 500 ft., arm them with $5 motion sensors (no need for any real target selection) add a grenade or two and you have a suicide rifleman that blows up once his magazine is empty. Easily released by a van or two a few miles from the next Superbowl.
joshwa 16y ago
Curious to know how they compensate for windage? Elevation is easy to calculate, but at non-trivial ranges wind becomes a major factor in ballistics. Also: why are there not soldier-portable computer-guided sniper rifles? Deploy spotter + servo-driven rifle platform, dial in windage, designate target with laser or via screen, point, click, boom.
aidenn0 16y ago
It seems to me that a gas-operated semi-automatic rifle is a poor choice for an unmanned vehicle, as there is nobody to clear out a jam. I suspect that if this proves effective, they will take a non-automatic action and motorize it as that is far less prone to jamming.

46 points by philf 16y ago

The name needs changing. But the Autonomous Rotorcraft Sniper System looks like it may have a big future — maybe on land, or maybe at sea. Or maybe in LA? http://tinyurl.com/foucault-google-books http://tinyurl.com/foucault-google-books

stcredzero 16y ago
Sniper Autonomous Rotorcraft? Plural could be SARs, or a networked system would be SARS.

stcredzero 16y ago

I proposed this idea around the time the last pirate attacks were in the news. Merchant ships could provide some sort of landing pad and automatically detaching power umbilical. Such drones could "visit" transiting merchant vessels and land there to loiter in good weather. Once the merchant is out of danger, the drone could fly to its next assignment. My original idea involved launchers in standard cargo containers, linking to a remote control facility on demand by satellite, but independent drones only requiring such landing pads would be even cheaper.

nazgulnarsil 16y ago
costs are too high currently for escorting anything but very high value targets. that will change over time though.

ghotli 16y ago

This is one of the most frightening things I've seen on HN. A fleet of these killing machines would be so much more effective than ground troops at "killing the enemy". What bothers me is that if these are so much cheaper to make, and more accurate with less collateral damage then it makes our regime more effective at snuffing out foreigners that intelligence deems as dangerous for one reason or another. It seems that this is one of those devices that you can not fight with, especially if they are deployed in great numbers. What do you do, stay inside if the U.S has deemed you a threat? Hack it to try to take control of it? That seems like a scarier proposition and one that is much more likely. We're concerned that "loose nukes" will fall into the hands of "the enemy". An attack like that would cause great collateral damage. Eighty years from now, will we be worried about a competing economy that has the technical prowess to create such a killing machine as is linked in this article? Eisenhower warned us in his final speech as president against the Military-Industrial Complex that drives our capitalist nation to create more effective and more deadly weapons. Does mankind need this kind of weaponry? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military-industrial_complex

plinkplonk 16y ago
"Eighty years from now, will we be worried about a competing economy that has the technical prowess to create such a killing machine as is linked in this article? " Some economies are close. And it won't take eighty years. Try 10-15 at worst. And then we build sniper killers! (goes back to coding an "emerging economy" military system)
kiiski 16y ago
"It seems that this is one of those devices that you can not fight with, especially if they are deployed in great numbers. What do you do, stay inside if the U.S has deemed you a threat? Hack it to try to take control of it? That seems like a scarier proposition and one that is much more likely." Logically you just build an automated robotic anti-sniper system that shoots down any of these as soon as they get in range. That shouldn't be much of a problem for any military force with decent recourses nowadays.
- ghotli 16y ago
  A good point, yet that again causes an escalation of an "arms race" of this kind of weaponry. It's also a matter of logistics, where do you deploy the anti-sniper drone equipment? Around everywhere a sensitive target may go? I suppose I'm not arguing that these things won't continue to be built and countermeasures won't be adapted to that kind of warfare. It was merely meant as an expression of the general concern that our modern societies keep working toward very efficient and accurate ways to kill one another. It was stated more out of the depression that I know that just posting my thoughts to the internet won't do much good. Yet it's something that's worth mentioning in between the cacophony of other shouting voices wishing that things were this way or that. At least a subset of individuals I consider my peers have seen it, and thought about it at least once today.
  - roboneal 16y ago
    "Our modern societies keep working toward very efficient and accurate ways to kill one another" We could always go back to the less accurate ways of killing each other like a good old fashion Viking raid, barbarian hordes, firebombing cities Dresden style, concentration camps, and let's not forget Fatman & Little Boy.

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mdg 16y ago

Sounds just like the Death Star

rthomas6 16y ago

>The name needs changing. What about the Autonomous Sniper System? Or the Autonomous Rotocraft Sniper Engine? It was so close, I just had to make the joke.

WiseWeasel 16y ago
Reconnaissance, Observation and Vital Execution Rotocraft, for a little throw-back to the old Prisoner series...

jared314 16y ago

It sounds like the key will be effective communication between the operators and ground forces.

DanielBMarkham 16y ago

I think this is A. Big. Deal. Probably much more so than most other UAV news. Having a silent sniper sitting at 3 thousand feet just below the cloud deck with the ability to pick off targets up to a mile (making up some 2nd generation specs, but bear with me) is a total game-changer in all kinds of ways. Ideally a blimp would be better than a freaking expensive helicopter, and satellite/laser modes of operation would be better still (perhaps) In World War II, the Japanese sent a balloon barrage across the pacific to set fires up and down the West Coast. It was such a success that officials put a lid on press accounts for fear that the Japanese would realize what they were on to. Now imagine hundreds of these suckers, small and silent, moving across a city while camouflaged against the sky. It would be like the apocalypse. The only recourse I can see is for the entire population to live inside and underground. Amazing.

run4yourlives 16y ago

This isn't really a threat to an established military operation. Just another risk on the battlefield. A simple decoy/killer routine should be pretty effective in taking them out. It's hard to make a vehicle both air worthy and armoured. The major issue I see is that this is a terror organization's wet dream. Instead of dirty bombs and nukes, you can easily establish a fleet of these things and let them loose on a city. Put them on blimps, set them for about 500 ft., arm them with $5 motion sensors (no need for any real target selection) add a grenade or two and you have a suicide rifleman that blows up once his magazine is empty. Easily released by a van or two a few miles from the next Superbowl.

joshwa 16y ago

Curious to know how they compensate for windage? Elevation is easy to calculate, but at non-trivial ranges wind becomes a major factor in ballistics. Also: why are there not soldier-portable computer-guided sniper rifles? Deploy spotter + servo-driven rifle platform, dial in windage, designate target with laser or via screen, point, click, boom.

aidenn0 16y ago

It seems to me that a gas-operated semi-automatic rifle is a poor choice for an unmanned vehicle, as there is nobody to clear out a jam. I suspect that if this proves effective, they will take a non-automatic action and motorize it as that is far less prone to jamming.