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This is really just a war of opinions now, but the F1 keys are indispensable to me. My fingers rest on the hotkeys for "step into", "step over", "run to breakp

This is really just a war of opinions now, but the F1 keys are indispensable to me. My fingers rest on the hotkeys for "step into", "step over", "run to breakpoint" and I can keep my eyes glued to the watch list, inspecting the variables at each step. Some times you want to quickly step into functions, other times step over, and it's just really handy to have it mapped to keys. I'm not even a power emacs user or something (IntelliJ is my preferred IDE). YMMV of course, but I find the hotkeys super useful.

accatyyc 10y ago
But what if your IDE simply adds the debugger buttons to the touch strip instead? They could even have the correct icons and update state as you debug. Seems even better to me.
- azinman2 10y ago
  And/or other keyboard shortcuts. This is not some immutable situation. I don't know why everyone is unnecessarily freaking out over this non-issue that has so many alternative solutions, some of which will be superior.
  - Caprinicus 10y ago
    It's really odd when people say "I need one function key for some application specific operation", when those kinds of things are pretty much exactly what an adaptable, customizable touch row is perfect for. If apple could have read the touch bar complaints before, they probably would have been convinced to put a touch bar in earlier.
- albertgao 10y ago
  Aha, so you prefer the way that your sight just go back and forth between screen and touch bar.....?
  - st3v3r 10y ago
    If i'm using the F keys, it already is.
- mladen5 10y ago
  Main point for touch strip is changing icons/state. But that's absurd because not even my mother blind types. This is clearly another fancy thing that removes functionality.
  - legulere 10y ago
    Nobody types function keys blindly however
    - cyberhck 10y ago
      I have a blank keyboard, I never look at it, when I use for debugging I'm extremely fast as I don't have to look back and forth on keyboard and screen or use mouse (who uses mouse that much anyway?), I'd miss F keys if I bought the new macbook pro.

accatyyc 10y ago

But what if your IDE simply adds the debugger buttons to the touch strip instead? They could even have the correct icons and update state as you debug. Seems even better to me.

azinman2 10y ago
And/or other keyboard shortcuts. This is not some immutable situation. I don't know why everyone is unnecessarily freaking out over this non-issue that has so many alternative solutions, some of which will be superior.
- Caprinicus 10y ago
  It's really odd when people say "I need one function key for some application specific operation", when those kinds of things are pretty much exactly what an adaptable, customizable touch row is perfect for. If apple could have read the touch bar complaints before, they probably would have been convinced to put a touch bar in earlier.
albertgao 10y ago
Aha, so you prefer the way that your sight just go back and forth between screen and touch bar.....?
- st3v3r 10y ago
  If i'm using the F keys, it already is.
mladen5 10y ago
Main point for touch strip is changing icons/state. But that's absurd because not even my mother blind types. This is clearly another fancy thing that removes functionality.
- legulere 10y ago
  Nobody types function keys blindly however
  - cyberhck 10y ago
    I have a blank keyboard, I never look at it, when I use for debugging I'm extremely fast as I don't have to look back and forth on keyboard and screen or use mouse (who uses mouse that much anyway?), I'd miss F keys if I bought the new macbook pro.