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Having entirely lived on Soylent for a full year and having went back to solid foods with no weaning period and no ill effects, I doubt the veracity of your uns

by timdorr 10y ago

Having entirely lived on Soylent for a full year and having went back to solid foods with no weaning period and no ill effects, I doubt the veracity of your unsubstantiated claims.

girvo 10y ago
Two people in my family also experienced it, but I think it's likely related to your particular gastrointestinal system genetics, really. Doesn't happen to everyone, but those it does happen to it's pretty horrific; that said, my family has a huge history of Crohn's, et al. so there's probably a bit of cross-pollination between the two, so to speak.
atdrummond 10y ago
As someone with Crohns disease, who has been on an elemental diet not by choice but by necessity, I can assure you it is very much a real world effect. Unfortunately, we lack a corpus of evidence of long term liquid diet feedings (and intestinal investigations), mainly for ethical reasons, but there is at least one good rat study I could quickly recall: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01308310 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01308310 There are, however, countless great articles I suggest you read on liquid diets and their impact on satiety and other important illness recovery markers. One of the important topics for researchers has been how to safely transition patients more quickly to solid food, given some of the less desirable side effects of the liquid food diet. And yes, I understand that the Soylent team is confident that they've solved, for example, all gastric emptying issues by adding exogenous fibres. I'm positing that for every variable they're convinced they've figured out, they're opening up another potential set of problems that they've not even considered. Their latest opacity on this recall isn't giving me hope that I'm wrong here.
throwaway898908 10y ago
@timdorr: "Crazy to think that over the last year and a half, more than 50% of my diet has been in the form of liquid @soylent." [1] So not all of your diet. I very much doubt your ability to refute my claim, given that you did not meet my criteria of not eating solid food. [1] https://twitter.com/timdorr/status/694271673248264192 https://twitter.com/timdorr/status/694271673248264192
- castratikron 10y ago
  Isn't 100% more than 50%?
- timdorr 10y ago
  I switched to 50% Soylent for the 6 month period following the year, with a break for "normal" food in between. The first year was almost 100% Soylent, with some occasional solid food when Soylent wasn't available. I had no ill effects from any of these temporary diet changes, nor the period immediately following either period of long-term usage.
muppetcore12 10y ago
Tim...I have a lot of sharp words for you now, probably because members of my family have spent many years inside the food industry. 1) I do not doubt the veracity of these claims 2) They are substantiated. It's clearly your research that is not. People die because of this kind of ignorance. If you want me to elaborate, I've got the grizzly details. I wish I didn't.
- timdorr 10y ago
  "They are substantiated. It's clearly your research that is not." Where is the evidence? Link me to one scientific paper or credible news source on this. There is no backing to either your claims or the throwaway account's claims.
  - brandon272 10y ago
    Both accounts are throwaways!

by timdorr 10y ago

Having entirely lived on Soylent for a full year and having went back to solid foods with no weaning period and no ill effects, I doubt the veracity of your unsubstantiated claims.

girvo 10y ago

Two people in my family also experienced it, but I think it's likely related to your particular gastrointestinal system genetics, really. Doesn't happen to everyone, but those it does happen to it's pretty horrific; that said, my family has a huge history of Crohn's, et al. so there's probably a bit of cross-pollination between the two, so to speak.

atdrummond 10y ago

As someone with Crohns disease, who has been on an elemental diet not by choice but by necessity, I can assure you it is very much a real world effect. Unfortunately, we lack a corpus of evidence of long term liquid diet feedings (and intestinal investigations), mainly for ethical reasons, but there is at least one good rat study I could quickly recall: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01308310 http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF01308310 There are, however, countless great articles I suggest you read on liquid diets and their impact on satiety and other important illness recovery markers. One of the important topics for researchers has been how to safely transition patients more quickly to solid food, given some of the less desirable side effects of the liquid food diet. And yes, I understand that the Soylent team is confident that they've solved, for example, all gastric emptying issues by adding exogenous fibres. I'm positing that for every variable they're convinced they've figured out, they're opening up another potential set of problems that they've not even considered. Their latest opacity on this recall isn't giving me hope that I'm wrong here.

throwaway898908 10y ago

@timdorr: "Crazy to think that over the last year and a half, more than 50% of my diet has been in the form of liquid @soylent." [1] So not all of your diet. I very much doubt your ability to refute my claim, given that you did not meet my criteria of not eating solid food. [1] https://twitter.com/timdorr/status/694271673248264192 https://twitter.com/timdorr/status/694271673248264192

castratikron 10y ago
Isn't 100% more than 50%?
timdorr 10y ago
I switched to 50% Soylent for the 6 month period following the year, with a break for "normal" food in between. The first year was almost 100% Soylent, with some occasional solid food when Soylent wasn't available. I had no ill effects from any of these temporary diet changes, nor the period immediately following either period of long-term usage.

muppetcore12 10y ago

Tim...I have a lot of sharp words for you now, probably because members of my family have spent many years inside the food industry. 1) I do not doubt the veracity of these claims 2) They are substantiated. It's clearly your research that is not. People die because of this kind of ignorance. If you want me to elaborate, I've got the grizzly details. I wish I didn't.

timdorr 10y ago
"They are substantiated. It's clearly your research that is not." Where is the evidence? Link me to one scientific paper or credible news source on this. There is no backing to either your claims or the throwaway account's claims.
- brandon272 10y ago
  Both accounts are throwaways!