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Your argument consists of "people who don't work like I do are wrong" and you imply they should pay the price... for using a key that's been ubiquitous since th

Your argument consists of "people who don't work like I do are wrong" and you imply they should pay the price... for using a key that's been ubiquitous since the beginning of computing time.

eridius 10y ago
Pay what price, though? That's the question I'm asking. What the heck are people using the Escape key for that's so important that they can't tolerate having to tap the Touch Bar instead of having a physical key? As for ubiquity, that doesn't mean anything. Just because we've had something for a long time doesn't mean we need to keep having it. For example, my current physical keyboard has no Insert key, but that's a key that keyboards had for a long time (my keyboard replaced that with the Eject key). And yet I didn't even notice its lack until I looked at my keyboard just now.
- francoisdevlin 10y ago
  Says the emacs user.
  - eridius 10y ago
    I'm a Vim user. And as I implied in my original comment, I have `jk` bound to Escape, and if I'm ssh'd into a machine without my config, since I have Caps Lock bound to Control, it's still easier to hit Control-[ than it is to hit the Escape key.
010a 10y ago
You could say the same thing for removing serial ports, or floppy drives, or CD drives. People used them when Apple got rid of them. People whined. Apple still did it. We don't miss them anymore. Its possible Apple could go too far, but I don't think its fair to say Apple did anything wrong _yet_. They're always early on removing this stuff, but they've never been wrong. Literally never.
- falcolas 10y ago
  Ooh, there's a reference to floppy drives. Apple distortion reality bingo hit! I miss my CD drive. On a almost daily basis. USB drive to the rescue, oh, wait. Serial ports are fantastic for interfacing with low level electronics. USB dongle for, oh, wait. > but they've never been wrong. Literally never. Riiight. That's why they sell so many dongles which replace all of these missing parts.
- Shish2k 10y ago
  > They're always early on removing this stuff, but they've never been wrong. Literally never. "Technology X will be obsolete at some point in the future" is almost tautologically true. They could remove the screens and the keyboards from their laptops today, and that might be a good idea in 50 years time when we're all using direct-brain interfaces, but I would still describe that as being wrong today.

Your argument consists of "people who don't work like I do are wrong" and you imply they should pay the price... for using a key that's been ubiquitous since the beginning of computing time.

eridius 10y ago

Pay what price, though? That's the question I'm asking. What the heck are people using the Escape key for that's so important that they can't tolerate having to tap the Touch Bar instead of having a physical key? As for ubiquity, that doesn't mean anything. Just because we've had something for a long time doesn't mean we need to keep having it. For example, my current physical keyboard has no Insert key, but that's a key that keyboards had for a long time (my keyboard replaced that with the Eject key). And yet I didn't even notice its lack until I looked at my keyboard just now.

francoisdevlin 10y ago
Says the emacs user.
- eridius 10y ago
  I'm a Vim user. And as I implied in my original comment, I have `jk` bound to Escape, and if I'm ssh'd into a machine without my config, since I have Caps Lock bound to Control, it's still easier to hit Control-[ than it is to hit the Escape key.

010a 10y ago

You could say the same thing for removing serial ports, or floppy drives, or CD drives. People used them when Apple got rid of them. People whined. Apple still did it. We don't miss them anymore. Its possible Apple could go too far, but I don't think its fair to say Apple did anything wrong _yet_. They're always early on removing this stuff, but they've never been wrong. Literally never.

falcolas 10y ago
Ooh, there's a reference to floppy drives. Apple distortion reality bingo hit! I miss my CD drive. On a almost daily basis. USB drive to the rescue, oh, wait. Serial ports are fantastic for interfacing with low level electronics. USB dongle for, oh, wait. > but they've never been wrong. Literally never. Riiight. That's why they sell so many dongles which replace all of these missing parts.
Shish2k 10y ago
> They're always early on removing this stuff, but they've never been wrong. Literally never. "Technology X will be obsolete at some point in the future" is almost tautologically true. They could remove the screens and the keyboards from their laptops today, and that might be a good idea in 50 years time when we're all using direct-brain interfaces, but I would still describe that as being wrong today.