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> Besides, no one who uses Vim is gonna be happy to see the physical Esc key go away. What kind of self-respecting Vim user physically reaches up to the top co

> Besides, no one who uses Vim is gonna be happy to see the physical Esc key go away. What kind of self-respecting Vim user physically reaches up to the top corner of their keyboard constantly? Even if you have a physical esc key up there you should be hitting ctrl-[ or remaping it onto the capslock. It's wasted motion to constantly pull off home row to hit escape.

splintercell 10y ago
Haha, I said the same thing to an emacs buddy who was expressing concerns about vim users, he sounded pissed that real Vim users don't use ESC, or even hjkl keys.
emeraldd 10y ago
I do for one. I have capslock mapped to Ctrl. Of course, I started in EMACS and got sucked into vim and had already gotten used to the capslock as Ctrl.
- msbarnett 10y ago
  I think putting ctrl on the capslock key is the more efficient move, honestly. But Vi was designed for a machine that had esc where your tab is. It's built for efficiency but you lose all of it when you have to physically pull your whole hand up off of the home row. The Vim wiki has a lot of tips for more efficient mappings[1], but if you don't want to be dependent on your own idiosyncratic config, ctrl-[ is literally the keycode that the physical esc key generates, and it's soooo much easier to hit there's no reason not to retrain your muscle memory to prefer it. [1] http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Avoid_the_escape_key http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Avoid_the_escape_key
- lj3 10y ago
  Why choose? When I hold down caps lock, it acts like CTRL. When I hit it once, it acts like ESC.
  - emeraldd 10y ago
    Got a tool that will do that on os x sierra? I used to us karabiner, but that's hosed by the updated until they can get elements cleaned up.
    - lj3 10y ago
      Have you tried Karabiner-elements[0]? I haven't used OS X the past few years, so I don't know if it actually works, but somebody suggested it on reddit. [0]: https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements
      - emeraldd 10y ago
        I have, it's not quite there yet ... I've been a fan of Karabiner since I first switched to mac.

splintercell 10y ago

Haha, I said the same thing to an emacs buddy who was expressing concerns about vim users, he sounded pissed that real Vim users don't use ESC, or even hjkl keys.

emeraldd 10y ago

I do for one. I have capslock mapped to Ctrl. Of course, I started in EMACS and got sucked into vim and had already gotten used to the capslock as Ctrl.

msbarnett 10y ago
I think putting ctrl on the capslock key is the more efficient move, honestly. But Vi was designed for a machine that had esc where your tab is. It's built for efficiency but you lose all of it when you have to physically pull your whole hand up off of the home row. The Vim wiki has a lot of tips for more efficient mappings[1], but if you don't want to be dependent on your own idiosyncratic config, ctrl-[ is literally the keycode that the physical esc key generates, and it's soooo much easier to hit there's no reason not to retrain your muscle memory to prefer it. [1] http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Avoid_the_escape_key http://vim.wikia.com/wiki/Avoid_the_escape_key
lj3 10y ago
Why choose? When I hold down caps lock, it acts like CTRL. When I hit it once, it acts like ESC.
- emeraldd 10y ago
  Got a tool that will do that on os x sierra? I used to us karabiner, but that's hosed by the updated until they can get elements cleaned up.
  - lj3 10y ago
    Have you tried Karabiner-elements[0]? I haven't used OS X the past few years, so I don't know if it actually works, but somebody suggested it on reddit. [0]: https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements https://github.com/tekezo/Karabiner-Elements
    - emeraldd 10y ago
      I have, it's not quite there yet ... I've been a fan of Karabiner since I first switched to mac.