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A maxxed out MBP costs €5000, which is $5447.95. And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, hdmi, magsafe, sd-card or usb. And you don't get tactil

by 0x0 10y ago

A maxxed out MBP costs €5000, which is $5447.95. And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, hdmi, magsafe, sd-card or usb. And you don't get tactile escape keys or function keys. Or Nvidia. Or even an OpenGL implementation from this decade! This show is over :(

pavlov 10y ago
Apple sells a USB-C to Lightning cable, so you don't need a dongle to connect an iPhone. The rest of your points stand though.
- maxerickson 10y ago
  A cable of rather limited uses is the moral equivalent of a dongle.
  - SysArchitect 10y ago
    Except that it increases utility. I can now bring a single charger that can charge my MacBook Pro and my iPhone. I just need a USB-C to USB-C cable and a USB-C to Lightning cable. Charge my laptop or charge my iPhone or charge both (use the laptop as a passthrough). It will reduce the amount of stuff I carry, I tend to carry just an iPhone charger while traveling in case I want to bring it with me where I don't bring my laptop, extra space in luggage and weight.
    - 0x0 10y ago
      Can you plug this particular cable into a wall adapter iOS charger? If not, then you still need two different cables depending on whether you want to charge from the wall or the mac.
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      - SysArchitect 10y ago
        You can't plug it into the wall adapter iOS charger, but you can plug it into a USB-C charger that comes with the MBP.
    - maxerickson 10y ago
      Increases utility over what? If the ports all match, you can choose to carry 1 or 2 cables depending on whether you want to make 1 or 2 connections. Since the ports don't match, you need a cable for each type of connection you might want to make.
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- 0x0 10y ago
  For €5000 you can't connect your state-of-the-art iPhone to your state-of-the-art Mac out of the box. You have to pay extra, and you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter and hope you don't forget it! Fucking lol.
  - mcphage 10y ago
    > you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter Huh? It's not a dongle, it's just a cable. You do need a cable to connect your phone to your laptop.
    - seba_dos1 10y ago
      But that's not a cable that everyone has everywhere. So many times around me poor iPhone owners couldn't charge their phones at parties because nobody had their kind of cable around, while for microUSB you've got plenty of helpful charger and powerbank owners. To be honest, lately owners of phones with USB-C were having the same problem, but I guess it's gonna change faster than with Lightning cables.
  - spott 10y ago
    It isn't a dongle adapter, it is a usb cable with usb-c on one side and lightning on the other.
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- devopsproject 10y ago
  It is just another cable\dongle\adapter\hub we must buy again and again. These products should "just work" together.
  - Bud 10y ago
    Ok, great. Then let's all go back to 2001 and use 10Mbps first-generation USB for everything. Oops! It won't supply enough power, it's now FOUR THOUSAND times slower than modern interfaces, it can't drive monitors, etc. Maybe your idea isn't so great.
    - devopsproject 10y ago
      Have fun playing with your dongles
masklinn 10y ago
> A maxxed out MBP costs €5000 That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro) > which is $5447.95. Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.
- 0x0 10y ago
  Fine, maxxed out except 1TB instead of 2TB SSD and the total is €4.039. The bump up/down from 2TB to 1TB is "only" €960. Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I have to pay it to buy the machine!! This is a ton more money than what maxxed out macbook pros were around 2013 in €, and to be honest the total package feels like a downgrade.
  - SysArchitect 10y ago
    US sales taxes vary depending on state. There is no direct comparison.
  - masklinn 10y ago
    > Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I didn't say sales tax was dishonest, I said converting back a tax included price into USD was, and explained why. Aside from US sales tax being much lower than european ones (as low as 0%) US prices are pretty much always displayed without taxes, so you're making the machine look 20% more expensive than it actually is as far as american viewers understand it. A fair quote would have been to provide the regular USD price ($4300 maxxed out, or $3500 for 1TB).
    - 0x0 10y ago
      Well if US sales taxes are as low as 0% then I think it IS a fair comparison. Feature-wise, it feels like the 2013 device is worth the 2016 price and the 2016 device is worth the 2013 price.
      - 10y ago
sakopov 10y ago
Not an Apple fan by any means but I've just gotten tired of the poor build quality of Windows laptops and terrible battery life year after year. So I've been patiently waiting to upgrade my 3-years-old XPS to a MBP. Heard that the price range will likely be fairly close to the old generation of MBP. Well, what i saw today is just too cost-prohibitive for very little reason. I'm now hoping that Surface Book or the new XPS are worth the money.
- tmikaeld 10y ago
  I'm in the same boat. I've been lifting any virtual rock for any decent affordable development laptop that isn't two generations old with a bad CPU (Read Celeron or Atom). But there aren't any, there's only the 600€ range and up. Then comes Apple, which I've been waiting for - I have the Macbook Air and Macbook Pro. But for this price and with no 32GB RAM upgrade possibilities and 8GB RAM for 220€? No... Just NO. This is the last straw, I'm going to try Linux for the iftiest time.
  - slgeorge 10y ago
    > I'm going to try Linux for the iftiest time. When you do that please, please buy something where it's preloaded onto the system (e.g. Dell XPS) so that you get the same sort of hardware/software experience that you get from the integrated apple. It will cut out so much fiddling and possibilities of a terrible experience!
    - tmikaeld 10y ago
      Thanks for the advice, that's actually the exact modell i plan on getting. But I was unsure if it was a modern CPU, seemed dated? Or are the newer XPS also called XPS? The worst thing was that the linux version cost 2x more than the normal one here in Sweden...
      - sakopov 10y ago
        I ended up purchasing Dell XPS 15 today. In terms of battery life, build quality and power there isn't much else besides it that compares to Macbook Pro (at least not until Surface Book 2 comes out but then it'll be horribly expensive too). I think what you're talking about is the Dell XPS developer edition. I'm not even sure if Dell sells them anymore. You might just get the Windows 10 Home Edition and throw a Linux distro on it. At least that's my plan.
jobu 10y ago
> *And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, ... This my biggest issue with the MBP. WTF are they thinking here?! Why didn't the iPhone7 port get switched to USB-C from lightning if they knew the MBP was going to USB-C/TB3? The whole point of Apple products is that they work better the more of them you have.

by 0x0 10y ago

pavlov 10y ago

Apple sells a USB-C to Lightning cable, so you don't need a dongle to connect an iPhone. The rest of your points stand though.

maxerickson 10y ago
A cable of rather limited uses is the moral equivalent of a dongle.
- SysArchitect 10y ago
  Except that it increases utility. I can now bring a single charger that can charge my MacBook Pro and my iPhone. I just need a USB-C to USB-C cable and a USB-C to Lightning cable. Charge my laptop or charge my iPhone or charge both (use the laptop as a passthrough). It will reduce the amount of stuff I carry, I tend to carry just an iPhone charger while traveling in case I want to bring it with me where I don't bring my laptop, extra space in luggage and weight.
  - 0x0 10y ago
    Can you plug this particular cable into a wall adapter iOS charger? If not, then you still need two different cables depending on whether you want to charge from the wall or the mac.
    - deleted 10y ago
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    - SysArchitect 10y ago
      You can't plug it into the wall adapter iOS charger, but you can plug it into a USB-C charger that comes with the MBP.
  - maxerickson 10y ago
    Increases utility over what? If the ports all match, you can choose to carry 1 or 2 cables depending on whether you want to make 1 or 2 connections. Since the ports don't match, you need a cable for each type of connection you might want to make.
  - deleted 10y ago
    [deleted]
0x0 10y ago
For €5000 you can't connect your state-of-the-art iPhone to your state-of-the-art Mac out of the box. You have to pay extra, and you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter and hope you don't forget it! Fucking lol.
- mcphage 10y ago
  > you have to carry around an awkward dongle adapter Huh? It's not a dongle, it's just a cable. You do need a cable to connect your phone to your laptop.
  - seba_dos1 10y ago
    But that's not a cable that everyone has everywhere. So many times around me poor iPhone owners couldn't charge their phones at parties because nobody had their kind of cable around, while for microUSB you've got plenty of helpful charger and powerbank owners. To be honest, lately owners of phones with USB-C were having the same problem, but I guess it's gonna change faster than with Lightning cables.
- spott 10y ago
  It isn't a dongle adapter, it is a usb cable with usb-c on one side and lightning on the other.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
devopsproject 10y ago
It is just another cable\dongle\adapter\hub we must buy again and again. These products should "just work" together.
- Bud 10y ago
  Ok, great. Then let's all go back to 2001 and use 10Mbps first-generation USB for everything. Oops! It won't supply enough power, it's now FOUR THOUSAND times slower than modern interfaces, it can't drive monitors, etc. Maybe your idea isn't so great.
  - devopsproject 10y ago
    Have fun playing with your dongles

masklinn 10y ago

> A maxxed out MBP costs €5000 That's quite dishonest considering a fair bit of that is the 1700€ 2TB SSD (which is not an unfair price, that's about what Samsung announced for the 960 Pro) > which is $5447.95. Also dishonest, most people expect USD prices to be without tax, you're including the ~20% european VATs in that by converting back from tax-included euro prices.

0x0 10y ago
Fine, maxxed out except 1TB instead of 2TB SSD and the total is €4.039. The bump up/down from 2TB to 1TB is "only" €960. Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I have to pay it to buy the machine!! This is a ton more money than what maxxed out macbook pros were around 2013 in €, and to be honest the total package feels like a downgrade.
- SysArchitect 10y ago
  US sales taxes vary depending on state. There is no direct comparison.
- masklinn 10y ago
  > Also sales tax isn't dishonest. I didn't say sales tax was dishonest, I said converting back a tax included price into USD was, and explained why. Aside from US sales tax being much lower than european ones (as low as 0%) US prices are pretty much always displayed without taxes, so you're making the machine look 20% more expensive than it actually is as far as american viewers understand it. A fair quote would have been to provide the regular USD price ($4300 maxxed out, or $3500 for 1TB).
  - 0x0 10y ago
    Well if US sales taxes are as low as 0% then I think it IS a fair comparison. Feature-wise, it feels like the 2013 device is worth the 2016 price and the 2016 device is worth the 2013 price.
    - 10y ago

sakopov 10y ago

Not an Apple fan by any means but I've just gotten tired of the poor build quality of Windows laptops and terrible battery life year after year. So I've been patiently waiting to upgrade my 3-years-old XPS to a MBP. Heard that the price range will likely be fairly close to the old generation of MBP. Well, what i saw today is just too cost-prohibitive for very little reason. I'm now hoping that Surface Book or the new XPS are worth the money.

tmikaeld 10y ago
I'm in the same boat. I've been lifting any virtual rock for any decent affordable development laptop that isn't two generations old with a bad CPU (Read Celeron or Atom). But there aren't any, there's only the 600€ range and up. Then comes Apple, which I've been waiting for - I have the Macbook Air and Macbook Pro. But for this price and with no 32GB RAM upgrade possibilities and 8GB RAM for 220€? No... Just NO. This is the last straw, I'm going to try Linux for the iftiest time.
- slgeorge 10y ago
  > I'm going to try Linux for the iftiest time. When you do that please, please buy something where it's preloaded onto the system (e.g. Dell XPS) so that you get the same sort of hardware/software experience that you get from the integrated apple. It will cut out so much fiddling and possibilities of a terrible experience!
  - tmikaeld 10y ago
    Thanks for the advice, that's actually the exact modell i plan on getting. But I was unsure if it was a modern CPU, seemed dated? Or are the newer XPS also called XPS? The worst thing was that the linux version cost 2x more than the normal one here in Sweden...
    - sakopov 10y ago
      I ended up purchasing Dell XPS 15 today. In terms of battery life, build quality and power there isn't much else besides it that compares to Macbook Pro (at least not until Surface Book 2 comes out but then it'll be horribly expensive too). I think what you're talking about is the Dell XPS developer edition. I'm not even sure if Dell sells them anymore. You might just get the Windows 10 Home Edition and throw a Linux distro on it. At least that's my plan.

jobu 10y ago

> *And you can't connect your iphone, your iphone headset, ... This my biggest issue with the MBP. WTF are they thinking here?! Why didn't the iPhone7 port get switched to USB-C from lightning if they knew the MBP was going to USB-C/TB3? The whole point of Apple products is that they work better the more of them you have.