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> I didn't down vote, but the comment would be better if it were expanded with some details about why he thinks people who are good at their jobs should avoid o
by moduspwnens14 10y ago
> I didn't down vote, but the comment would be better if it were expanded with some details about why he thinks people who are good at their jobs should avoid open salary workplaces.
I've tried a handful of different ways to explain this (before backspacing out this comment box and trying again), but here's the best I can come up with:
You always have the ability to negotiate for higher pay. If you've spent much of your life in different workplaces, you'll probably know that people (generally) think they deserve raises for reasons other than those that make sense. Those can include:
* Poor personal money management
* Poor life decisions leading to more money needed
* Number of years spent with the company
* Number of hours worked each week
* How busy they appear to be
* How much they think they get done
* How much more work they think they do than they did last year
* How much more work they think they do than their peers
* and more
None of those things really matter, though. Factors that actually matter include:
* How much other employers will pay for your skillset
* How likely you are to leave
* How much it would cost to replace you
This is important because the people actually running the business have to understand this, but the rest of the employees don't. As a high performer, you'll be negotiating a raise based on those factors that actually matter and your boss (hopefully) understands that. You don't want to put him in a situation where he can (or has to) fall back on how the rest of the company will feel about your pay, because they don't necessarily weigh the correct factors in deciding whether or not you "deserve" it.
- jsprogrammer 10y agoAccording to the article, anyone can negotiate for a raise at any time. All you have to do is execute the negotiation process.
- moduspwnens14 10y agoMy response was relating to an open salary company in general, but the process in the article takes it even further by having the employees themselves play a significant role in the decision-making. If I consider myself a high performer, I don't want to have to justify my request relative to others at the company, or what they received, or what they used to win over other people to vote to give them more money that isn't theirs. That's going to put me in a position where I need to win a popularity contest, be around a while (to comment positively on others' raises), or wait a few more months so I don't look pushy and selfish to the entire company. ...because none of that matters if I just do an interview elsewhere and get what I want!
- Tsagadai 10y agoThis is my experience too. This sort of open company (from appearances in the original article) is pushing the salary negotiation as part of broader openness. Once you have buy in with the broader financials the negotiation can take place within a consensus and many of the arguments about what someone personally believes can be brushed aside by the majority views and the actual financials. From my experience, people who really deliver things end up reaping a lot more because they can argue from what they are actually worth on the bottom line and their value as multipliers.