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We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.

by untog 10y ago

aianus 10y ago
Clearly Apple believes there are more people like me (with bluetooth cars, headphones, keyboards, and trackpads) than people like you. Anyways, his "100 out of 100" comment is comically wrong.
- untog 10y ago
  No, Apple believes there are more people willing to convert to being like you, and buy all new devices. Not that there are today. And they're welcome to do so, but they're pushing consumers like me away from their products.
- hota_mazi 10y ago
  They might believe it but their world market share in the personal computer space being around 5% clearly shows they're wrong.
paradite 10y ago
The USB standard has evolved along the way. It is ironic that you "prefer USB" devices but fails to show support for USB-C ports. (Edited to be less personal)
- untog 10y ago
  Oh, come on. I don't "support" anything, being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate. I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? I don't need the extra bandwidth to transmit keypresses. Why not include one or two traditional USB3 ports alongside the USB-C ports to ease people over to a new standard?
  - anonymfus 10y ago
    >What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? That you can connect it to phones with USB-C without any dongles. Almost all new phones have USB-C. Except one from Apple.
    - untog 10y ago
      ...why on earth would I want to connect my full-size PC keyboard to my phone?
      - AtheistOfFail 10y ago
        /u/MechanicalKeyboards would like a word with you.
  - paradite 10y ago
    > I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. It takes time before you can see the demonstrable benefit. For starter - USB-C solves the which side to plug in issue - It's a unified charging port besides data transfer (one charging cable for all devices in the future) - It's also a unified display port (one display cable for all devices in the future)
  - Scaevolus 10y ago
    Unfortunately, there's no height for traditional USB ports! If you look at the photos, the 3.5mm jack is just barely fitting. USB-A is ~4.5mm tall, while USB-C is 2.5mm tall. Compare these images: 15" new: http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thunderbolt_large.jpg http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thun... 15" old: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-with-retina-display-2015.jpg?thumb=y http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-... I don't really need a laptop to be so thin, but it's a defining feature for Apple's "premium" feel.
    - izacus 10y ago
      So make it a 2mm thicker and USABLE WITHOUT HASSLE. So it "just works" no matter where you are!
awj 10y ago
> We're not all you. Which, apparently, is only an acceptable response if you're criticizing the decision to remove ports. I have literally no need for a 3 1/2 floppy these days, but I'm sure not everyone "is me". Should that be a standard adapter as well?
- Chos89 10y ago
  No, because the floppy is on 1% devices and the usb is on 99,99%, not really a fair comparison

We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.

by untog 10y ago

We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.

aianus 10y ago

Clearly Apple believes there are more people like me (with bluetooth cars, headphones, keyboards, and trackpads) than people like you. Anyways, his "100 out of 100" comment is comically wrong.

untog 10y ago
No, Apple believes there are more people willing to convert to being like you, and buy all new devices. Not that there are today. And they're welcome to do so, but they're pushing consumers like me away from their products.
hota_mazi 10y ago
They might believe it but their world market share in the personal computer space being around 5% clearly shows they're wrong.

paradite 10y ago

The USB standard has evolved along the way. It is ironic that you "prefer USB" devices but fails to show support for USB-C ports. (Edited to be less personal)

untog 10y ago
Oh, come on. I don't "support" anything, being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate. I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? I don't need the extra bandwidth to transmit keypresses. Why not include one or two traditional USB3 ports alongside the USB-C ports to ease people over to a new standard?
- anonymfus 10y ago
  >What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? That you can connect it to phones with USB-C without any dongles. Almost all new phones have USB-C. Except one from Apple.
  - untog 10y ago
    ...why on earth would I want to connect my full-size PC keyboard to my phone?
    - AtheistOfFail 10y ago
      /u/MechanicalKeyboards would like a word with you.
- paradite 10y ago
  > I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. It takes time before you can see the demonstrable benefit. For starter - USB-C solves the which side to plug in issue - It's a unified charging port besides data transfer (one charging cable for all devices in the future) - It's also a unified display port (one display cable for all devices in the future)
- Scaevolus 10y ago
  Unfortunately, there's no height for traditional USB ports! If you look at the photos, the 3.5mm jack is just barely fitting. USB-A is ~4.5mm tall, while USB-C is 2.5mm tall. Compare these images: 15" new: http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thunderbolt_large.jpg http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thun... 15" old: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-with-retina-display-2015.jpg?thumb=y http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-... I don't really need a laptop to be so thin, but it's a defining feature for Apple's "premium" feel.
  - izacus 10y ago
    So make it a 2mm thicker and USABLE WITHOUT HASSLE. So it "just works" no matter where you are!

awj 10y ago

> We're not all you. Which, apparently, is only an acceptable response if you're criticizing the decision to remove ports. I have literally no need for a 3 1/2 floppy these days, but I'm sure not everyone "is me". Should that be a standard adapter as well?

Chos89 10y ago
No, because the floppy is on 1% devices and the usb is on 99,99%, not really a fair comparison