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> No USB port that 100 out of 100 keyboards and mice will plug into I haven't had a non-bluetooth input device since 2009.

by aianus 10y ago

untog 10y ago
We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.
- aianus 10y ago
  Clearly Apple believes there are more people like me (with bluetooth cars, headphones, keyboards, and trackpads) than people like you. Anyways, his "100 out of 100" comment is comically wrong.
  - untog 10y ago
    No, Apple believes there are more people willing to convert to being like you, and buy all new devices. Not that there are today. And they're welcome to do so, but they're pushing consumers like me away from their products.
  - hota_mazi 10y ago
    They might believe it but their world market share in the personal computer space being around 5% clearly shows they're wrong.
- paradite 10y ago
  The USB standard has evolved along the way. It is ironic that you "prefer USB" devices but fails to show support for USB-C ports. (Edited to be less personal)
  - untog 10y ago
    Oh, come on. I don't "support" anything, being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate. I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? I don't need the extra bandwidth to transmit keypresses. Why not include one or two traditional USB3 ports alongside the USB-C ports to ease people over to a new standard?
    - anonymfus 10y ago
      >What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? That you can connect it to phones with USB-C without any dongles. Almost all new phones have USB-C. Except one from Apple.
      - untog 10y ago
        ...why on earth would I want to connect my full-size PC keyboard to my phone?
        AtheistOfFail 10y ago
        /u/MechanicalKeyboards would like a word with you.
    - paradite 10y ago
      > I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. It takes time before you can see the demonstrable benefit. For starter - USB-C solves the which side to plug in issue - It's a unified charging port besides data transfer (one charging cable for all devices in the future) - It's also a unified display port (one display cable for all devices in the future)
    - Scaevolus 10y ago
      Unfortunately, there's no height for traditional USB ports! If you look at the photos, the 3.5mm jack is just barely fitting. USB-A is ~4.5mm tall, while USB-C is 2.5mm tall. Compare these images: 15" new: http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thunderbolt_large.jpg http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thun... 15" old: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-with-retina-display-2015.jpg?thumb=y http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-... I don't really need a laptop to be so thin, but it's a defining feature for Apple's "premium" feel.
      - izacus 10y ago
        So make it a 2mm thicker and USABLE WITHOUT HASSLE. So it "just works" no matter where you are!
- awj 10y ago
  > We're not all you. Which, apparently, is only an acceptable response if you're criticizing the decision to remove ports. I have literally no need for a 3 1/2 floppy these days, but I'm sure not everyone "is me". Should that be a standard adapter as well?
  - Chos89 10y ago
    No, because the floppy is on 1% devices and the usb is on 99,99%, not really a fair comparison
jhildings 10y ago
Might be a OK solution if it was not that OSX continuously losing Bluetooth connection, the mouse paring when switching mouse is buggy or you want to play computer games at all.
bdcravens 10y ago
Many developers use mechanical keyboards - I haven't seen any with Bluetooth (typing this on a Das Keyboard Ultimate)
- ascagnel_ 10y ago
  They do exist! I occasionally use a Varmilo VB87M that connects via BT and charges an internal battery with micro-USB.
- nerfhammer 10y ago
  There's no reason for this. The switches in a mechanical kb aren't electrically any different than those in a membrane kb. Not that I'm seriously suggesting it, but it occurs to me that you should be able to make something with an Arduino to make any kb bluetooth.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    The point is that they're mechanically different, not electrically.
    - nerfhammer 10y ago
      mechanical difference has nothing to do with their wirelessness or lack thereof
- bergie 10y ago
  I use the Filco Minila Air. Bluetooth keyboard with all the different cherry switches available.
- skMed 10y ago
  Not a knock here since I know this is not a majority case, but for marginally quick typists, I would say these wireless/bt keyboards are useless. Input lag is dreadful.
  - threeseed 10y ago
crooked-v 10y ago
I despise bluetooth keyboards because they always disconnect at the wrong time. Now, I do stick with wireless keyboards in general, but that's because the proprietary Logitech dongle has never failed me in years. If Apple can ever make a Bluetooth keyboard that "just works" in the sort of way they're advertising their upcoming AirPods will, including working properly during the boot menu and every time I restart into Windows, then I might reconsider it.

> No USB port that 100 out of 100 keyboards and mice will plug into I haven't had a non-bluetooth input device since 2009.

by aianus 10y ago

> No USB port that 100 out of 100 keyboards and mice will plug into I haven't had a non-bluetooth input device since 2009.

untog 10y ago

We're not all you. I strongly prefer USB devices because I don't have to care about battery charging and pairing. It just works.

aianus 10y ago
Clearly Apple believes there are more people like me (with bluetooth cars, headphones, keyboards, and trackpads) than people like you. Anyways, his "100 out of 100" comment is comically wrong.
- untog 10y ago
  No, Apple believes there are more people willing to convert to being like you, and buy all new devices. Not that there are today. And they're welcome to do so, but they're pushing consumers like me away from their products.
- hota_mazi 10y ago
  They might believe it but their world market share in the personal computer space being around 5% clearly shows they're wrong.
paradite 10y ago
The USB standard has evolved along the way. It is ironic that you "prefer USB" devices but fails to show support for USB-C ports. (Edited to be less personal)
- untog 10y ago
  Oh, come on. I don't "support" anything, being a fanboy of a peripheral plug variant is a life I don't even want to contemplate. I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? I don't need the extra bandwidth to transmit keypresses. Why not include one or two traditional USB3 ports alongside the USB-C ports to ease people over to a new standard?
  - anonymfus 10y ago
    >What benefit does a USB-C keyboard give me, exactly? That you can connect it to phones with USB-C without any dongles. Almost all new phones have USB-C. Except one from Apple.
    - untog 10y ago
      ...why on earth would I want to connect my full-size PC keyboard to my phone?
      - AtheistOfFail 10y ago
        /u/MechanicalKeyboards would like a word with you.
  - paradite 10y ago
    > I'm very happy to adapt to new things, when they offer a demonstrable benefit to me. It takes time before you can see the demonstrable benefit. For starter - USB-C solves the which side to plug in issue - It's a unified charging port besides data transfer (one charging cable for all devices in the future) - It's also a unified display port (one display cable for all devices in the future)
  - Scaevolus 10y ago
    Unfortunately, there's no height for traditional USB ports! If you look at the photos, the 3.5mm jack is just barely fitting. USB-A is ~4.5mm tall, while USB-C is 2.5mm tall. Compare these images: 15" new: http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thunderbolt_large.jpg http://images.apple.com/v/macbook-pro/j/images/overview/thun... 15" old: http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-with-retina-display-2015.jpg?thumb=y http://www5.pcmag.com/media/images/483214-apple-macbook-pro-... I don't really need a laptop to be so thin, but it's a defining feature for Apple's "premium" feel.
    - izacus 10y ago
      So make it a 2mm thicker and USABLE WITHOUT HASSLE. So it "just works" no matter where you are!
awj 10y ago
> We're not all you. Which, apparently, is only an acceptable response if you're criticizing the decision to remove ports. I have literally no need for a 3 1/2 floppy these days, but I'm sure not everyone "is me". Should that be a standard adapter as well?
- Chos89 10y ago
  No, because the floppy is on 1% devices and the usb is on 99,99%, not really a fair comparison

jhildings 10y ago

Might be a OK solution if it was not that OSX continuously losing Bluetooth connection, the mouse paring when switching mouse is buggy or you want to play computer games at all.

bdcravens 10y ago

Many developers use mechanical keyboards - I haven't seen any with Bluetooth (typing this on a Das Keyboard Ultimate)

ascagnel_ 10y ago
They do exist! I occasionally use a Varmilo VB87M that connects via BT and charges an internal battery with micro-USB.
nerfhammer 10y ago
There's no reason for this. The switches in a mechanical kb aren't electrically any different than those in a membrane kb. Not that I'm seriously suggesting it, but it occurs to me that you should be able to make something with an Arduino to make any kb bluetooth.
- majewsky 10y ago
  The point is that they're mechanically different, not electrically.
  - nerfhammer 10y ago
    mechanical difference has nothing to do with their wirelessness or lack thereof
bergie 10y ago
I use the Filco Minila Air. Bluetooth keyboard with all the different cherry switches available.
skMed 10y ago
Not a knock here since I know this is not a majority case, but for marginally quick typists, I would say these wireless/bt keyboards are useless. Input lag is dreadful.
- threeseed 10y ago

crooked-v 10y ago

I despise bluetooth keyboards because they always disconnect at the wrong time. Now, I do stick with wireless keyboards in general, but that's because the proprietary Logitech dongle has never failed me in years. If Apple can ever make a Bluetooth keyboard that "just works" in the sort of way they're advertising their upcoming AirPods will, including working properly during the boot menu and every time I restart into Windows, then I might reconsider it.