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You seem to have conflated sophistication with fear of change. The history of technology shows this fear is misplaced. If the interface provided is compelling,

You seem to have conflated sophistication with fear of change. The history of technology shows this fear is misplaced. If the interface provided is compelling, most people will adapt. Some will long for the old ways to be the only ways, but that's never been a segment of desire that gets much attention for what I assume are obvious reasons.

khedoros1 10y ago
You seem to have conflated fear of change with desire not to have useful functionality removed and replaced with functionality that might prove useful. The touch strip is cool, but it suddenly means looking down at the keyboard to use it, and the loss of the tactile sensation of the keys. Maybe it's a net gain for some people. For me, it's at best 2 steps forward, 1 step back. It's a mixed blessing.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  It doesn't really rebut me to twist up a bunch of semantics to make it seem like something is being taken away from you by the fact that Apple is making a product you don't like.
  - khedoros1 10y ago
    I'm just saying that it's a change that I dislike on an emotional level, and that I believe that needing to look at my computers controls to use them will lead to a permanent net decrease in comfort using the machine. They're making a product that I don't like, and that's not a new phenomenon. Categorically, I dislike things that seem like change for the sake of change, and I dislike things that feel like a company herding my behavior in the direction they want me to go. On the other hand, I like progress. In my opinion, features like this are certainly change, but I doubt that they're progress. That is, I think that it both adds and removes features. Fear of change isn't a bad thing, in and of itself. I think the point that we disagree on the strongest is whether Apple's new hardware represents actual progress, or merely change.
aschampion 10y ago
Not wanting to divert attention from the screen during engaged work has nothing to do with fear of change.
- oldmanjay 10y ago
  Sure it does. People don't want to change their habits because of a hypothesized productive decline that is, by the necessity of not having tried the change, based solely on emotion. Call the emotion whatever you want if "fear" makes you feel too silly.
puddintane 10y ago
Except this would be un-adaptable. Looking away from a screen that has no physical feedback to alert the user where the fingers are will cause issues. I don't know a single person who can actually type on a smart phone without looking and nearly zero mistakes.
majewsky 10y ago
> You seem to have conflated sophistication with fear of change. The history of technology shows this fear is misplaced. If the interface provided is compelling, most people will adapt. You're typing this on a keyboard layout designed to avoid jams on typewriters.

khedoros1 10y ago

You seem to have conflated fear of change with desire not to have useful functionality removed and replaced with functionality that might prove useful. The touch strip is cool, but it suddenly means looking down at the keyboard to use it, and the loss of the tactile sensation of the keys. Maybe it's a net gain for some people. For me, it's at best 2 steps forward, 1 step back. It's a mixed blessing.

oldmanjay 10y ago
It doesn't really rebut me to twist up a bunch of semantics to make it seem like something is being taken away from you by the fact that Apple is making a product you don't like.
- khedoros1 10y ago
  I'm just saying that it's a change that I dislike on an emotional level, and that I believe that needing to look at my computers controls to use them will lead to a permanent net decrease in comfort using the machine. They're making a product that I don't like, and that's not a new phenomenon. Categorically, I dislike things that seem like change for the sake of change, and I dislike things that feel like a company herding my behavior in the direction they want me to go. On the other hand, I like progress. In my opinion, features like this are certainly change, but I doubt that they're progress. That is, I think that it both adds and removes features. Fear of change isn't a bad thing, in and of itself. I think the point that we disagree on the strongest is whether Apple's new hardware represents actual progress, or merely change.

aschampion 10y ago

Not wanting to divert attention from the screen during engaged work has nothing to do with fear of change.

oldmanjay 10y ago
Sure it does. People don't want to change their habits because of a hypothesized productive decline that is, by the necessity of not having tried the change, based solely on emotion. Call the emotion whatever you want if "fear" makes you feel too silly.

puddintane 10y ago

Except this would be un-adaptable. Looking away from a screen that has no physical feedback to alert the user where the fingers are will cause issues. I don't know a single person who can actually type on a smart phone without looking and nearly zero mistakes.

majewsky 10y ago

> You seem to have conflated sophistication with fear of change. The history of technology shows this fear is misplaced. If the interface provided is compelling, most people will adapt. You're typing this on a keyboard layout designed to avoid jams on typewriters.