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Servo has always been and still is a research project. It was never intended to go into production as a fully-fledged Mozilla product. Quantum is the initiative

by dblohm7 10y ago

Servo has always been and still is a research project. It was never intended to go into production as a fully-fledged Mozilla product. Quantum is the initiative to bring a lot of those technologies into Gecko.

pcwalton 10y ago
> Servo has always been and still is a research project. It was never intended to go into production as a fully-fledged Mozilla product. That's not true. Servo is designed to be production-grade.
- metajack 10y ago
  To elaborate on this "production grade" comment, Quantum is using the same code that's in Servo. I think the fact we were able to build a production grade style system so quickly (and that is 4x faster!) is a testament to the advantages of Rust.
- dblohm7 10y ago
  > That's not true. Servo is designed to be production-grade. I never said that it wasn't. I said that it wasn't going to be shipped as a production Mozilla product.
  - pcwalton 10y ago
    > I never said that it wasn't. I said that it wasn't going to be shipped as a production Mozilla product. That's also not true. Maybe it will, maybe it won't; that's a decision that has to incorporate many factors other than technical ones. From my point of view as an engineering lead, I'm designing the engine to ship.
    - tedmielczarek 10y ago
      One key difference here is that this keeps Servo open to continuing to be a research vehicle for new technologies without the exposure of compatibility for millions of users. If we ship Servo in a product that does change the equation a bit.
      - dherman 10y ago
        I think part of what pcwalton and metajack are getting at is that Servo isn't "just a research vehicle" but rather intends to keep seeking adoption. I don't believe adoption and research are nemeses -- in fact, I'd say adoption is a core part of Mozilla Research's MO. I talked about this a little bit in a talk I gave this summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHcJzJQ2Nk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHcJzJQ2Nk

by dblohm7 10y ago

pcwalton 10y ago

> Servo has always been and still is a research project. It was never intended to go into production as a fully-fledged Mozilla product. That's not true. Servo is designed to be production-grade.

metajack 10y ago
To elaborate on this "production grade" comment, Quantum is using the same code that's in Servo. I think the fact we were able to build a production grade style system so quickly (and that is 4x faster!) is a testament to the advantages of Rust.
dblohm7 10y ago
> That's not true. Servo is designed to be production-grade. I never said that it wasn't. I said that it wasn't going to be shipped as a production Mozilla product.
- pcwalton 10y ago
  > I never said that it wasn't. I said that it wasn't going to be shipped as a production Mozilla product. That's also not true. Maybe it will, maybe it won't; that's a decision that has to incorporate many factors other than technical ones. From my point of view as an engineering lead, I'm designing the engine to ship.
  - tedmielczarek 10y ago
    One key difference here is that this keeps Servo open to continuing to be a research vehicle for new technologies without the exposure of compatibility for millions of users. If we ship Servo in a product that does change the equation a bit.
    - dherman 10y ago
      I think part of what pcwalton and metajack are getting at is that Servo isn't "just a research vehicle" but rather intends to keep seeking adoption. I don't believe adoption and research are nemeses -- in fact, I'd say adoption is a core part of Mozilla Research's MO. I talked about this a little bit in a talk I gave this summer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHcJzJQ2Nk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OHcJzJQ2Nk