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You don't need to be an asshole.

by maxaf 10y ago

ransom1538 10y ago
First, I apologize for the reddit style. I deserve the down votes, which I will happily pay. Using a position of power to force employees to divulge personal information really pisses me off.
- eyelidlessness 10y ago
  Does it change your mind knowing that it was not imposed from a position of power? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12806739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12806739
  - ransom1538 10y ago
    Really? Or were some scared of being singled out? I have managed teams, asking 40 people a question will get you 40 different answers. But in this case they were all for it? Lies.
    - civilian 10y ago
      You'd make a good conspiracy theorist. You question & disbelieve everything even when faced with reasonable evidence. Yes, maybe we don't actually know all the intricacies of what's going on, but you're just being a crank.
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- noddingham 10y ago
  There are three companion posts to this one that you might want to read because they'll fill in some assumptions you're making. Primarily, for existing employees the program was opt-in, such that "[n]ot joining would mean that others won’t know about that person’s salary and that person wouldn’t have access to the salary list."
  - ysavir 10y ago
    So that person then is forbidden from attending these meetings? There are two problems with that: 1. Even if employees get to opt out, others still know they opted out. And that can create mistrust on both sides. "Why did Bob opt out? What does he have to hide? Is he making more than everyone else? Is this transparent salaries thing just a way to keep the lower paid people thinking they're actually average?" 2. By excluding those people from the salary meetings, the company basically creates an "in club", the people that know more than everyone else. The opt-out people are now no longer just opting-out, they are literally being kept in the dark about things being shared with others. And like in scenario 1, that will breed mistrust.
- st3v3r 10y ago
  What personal information was divulged?

You don't need to be an asshole.

by maxaf 10y ago

You don't need to be an asshole.

First, I apologize for the reddit style. I deserve the down votes, which I will happily pay. Using a position of power to force employees to divulge personal information really pisses me off.

eyelidlessness 10y ago
Does it change your mind knowing that it was not imposed from a position of power? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12806739 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=12806739
- ransom1538 10y ago
  Really? Or were some scared of being singled out? I have managed teams, asking 40 people a question will get you 40 different answers. But in this case they were all for it? Lies.
  - civilian 10y ago
    You'd make a good conspiracy theorist. You question & disbelieve everything even when faced with reasonable evidence. Yes, maybe we don't actually know all the intricacies of what's going on, but you're just being a crank.
- deleted 10y ago
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noddingham 10y ago
There are three companion posts to this one that you might want to read because they'll fill in some assumptions you're making. Primarily, for existing employees the program was opt-in, such that "[n]ot joining would mean that others won’t know about that person’s salary and that person wouldn’t have access to the salary list."
- ysavir 10y ago
  So that person then is forbidden from attending these meetings? There are two problems with that: 1. Even if employees get to opt out, others still know they opted out. And that can create mistrust on both sides. "Why did Bob opt out? What does he have to hide? Is he making more than everyone else? Is this transparent salaries thing just a way to keep the lower paid people thinking they're actually average?" 2. By excluding those people from the salary meetings, the company basically creates an "in club", the people that know more than everyone else. The opt-out people are now no longer just opting-out, they are literally being kept in the dark about things being shared with others. And like in scenario 1, that will breed mistrust.
st3v3r 10y ago
What personal information was divulged?