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October Special Event Keynote [video]
- guessmyname 10y ago> Your browser doesn’t support live streaming of the event. Can someone share the URL so I can stream via VLC or similar, please? EDIT: Thank you @alva
- alva 10y agohttp://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/16oibfvohbfvoihbdfvoihbefv10/m3u8/hls_mvp.m3u8 http://p.events-delivery.apple.com.edgesuite.net/16oibfvohbf...
- pella 10y ago> Your browser doesn’t support live streaming of the event. first topic: Apple is launching a new accessibility website
- sblom 10y agoI saw that, too. Their support matrix is fascinating: Safari pretty much anywhere or... Microsoft Edge. Any guesses why that is? Is this an HTML5 <video> DRM thing?
- falcolas 10y agoWorth looking up the underlying tech: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HTTP_Live_Streaming It's a standards draft, but not a standard, so it's more that Edge implemented this particular draft feature, whereas Chrome/Firefox have not.
- kalleboo 10y agohttp://caniuse.com/#feat=http-live-streaming http://caniuse.com/#feat=http-live-streaming
- berberous 10y agoThe link also works with this Chrome extension: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/native-hls-playback/emnphkkblegpebimobpbekeedfgemhof?hl=en-US https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/native-hls-playbac...
- smonff 10y agoIt just means: "You are not a part of the club".
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- joaomoreno 10y agoNowadays Apple events look like they were made by Microsoft and vice-versa.
- chejazi 10y agoWatching now; they just unveiled a "TV" app to integrate a new apple-tv-like experience across all devices.
- matt4077 10y agoDidn't catch all of that, but it may be a move into the direction to slim down iTunes by moving parts of it into separate apps.
- elcapitan 10y agotldr: Now you can use a "TV" app with your appleTV to watch TV on your TV. Users have confirmed it's 100% awesome. It will also bring the family-friendly world of twitter into your living room.
- protomyth 10y agoGiven how much time they are taking for iOS, I get the feeling that the Macintoshes are going to get a serious short shift. I guess the one machine rumor is starting to look true.
- matt4077 10y agoThe event's raison d'être is new Mac hardware, so I doubt that.
- protomyth 10y agoWell, MacBook Pros are it. Its all about the Apple TV and Touch Bar.
- jaxn 10y agoThis event determines whether or not I pre-order a Surface Book. It is Apple's to lose, but it looks like that is what is going to happen.
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- danielhooper 10y agoAm I the only one who finds it laughable that Apple thinks anybody wants to purchase or rent movies and tv shows through iTunes? The service is awful and the pricing even worse. edit: tv shows, not tvs. lol
- ikeboy 10y agohttp://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/23/npd-apples-itunes-accounts-for-67-of-tv-downloads-65-of-movies http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/04/23/npd-apples-itunes-...
- dkonofalski 10y agoNo, you're wrong. It's laughable that Apple thinks people would want to purchase things through iTunes. /s
- kalleboo 10y ago[2013]
- falcolas 10y agoOh, wow. They didn't just remove the Escape key, they moved the location of the softkey. That is crazy to me.
- jackfrodo 10y agoYeah! It's just half an inch of blank space where it used to be. Bizarre.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoI felt a great disturbance in the Force, as if millions of vim users suddenly cried out in terror...
- Jtsummers 10y agoTheir images show an "esc" key on it. vim users may be feeling some relief.
- ihuman 10y agoBut there's still an escape button, its just digital now. If you don't like that, you could just remap the caps lock to be escape.
- TeMPOraL 10y agoFortunately I'm an Emacs user :). But were I a vim power user, I'd definitely had it remapped already.
- matt4077 10y agoMany seem to be angry about the OLED toolbar, but I'm getting unusually exciting. Just imagine the controls for your debugging environment on it. Or pressing a modifier and the display actually showing you a different set of shortcuts. I had actually been looking around at programmable keyboards with active displays on every key. I want to switch to a keyboard-only workflow, but it is actually incredibly hard if you use a few applications. There's no standard for shortcuts, and not even a standard for defining custom shortcuts. I'm hoping they're also launching a standalone keyboard in that style. I could also imagine there will be transparent "screen protectors" that you could apply with raised bumps so as to give tactile feedback. At that point, I see no reason for vim users to complain (saying that as a vim user). Not that it will be too hard to find the left edge of the bar.
- igravious 10y ago> I'm hoping they're also launching a standalone keyboard in that style. Intriguing. Though if the touch bar is context sensitive how is your standalone keyboard going to be able to know what context you are in? Genuine question!
- matt4077 10y agoNot an expert on keyboard protocols, but I'm pretty sure both bluetooth and usb allow two-way communication. Actually, it must already be happening, considering the Caps Lock indicator is set by the OS, not the keyboard itself (which is why people use it as a sort of brain-stem reflex test when the computer locks up).
- igravious 10y agoI dunno. I'm pretty sure the flow of information is one way. I could be wrong. :( I think the keyboard logic circuit board handles the Caps Lock indicator. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_keyboard#Connection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_PC_keyboard#Connection
- ch4s3 10y agoI hope its mappable. If it is, it could be great for debugging like you suggest, interacting with chrome devtools, terminal tabs, etc.
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- rkevingibson 10y agoSo they managed to make the touchpad twice as large, but couldn't find room for a row of keys?
- matt4077 10y agoHow many people actually touch-type F7? In fact, how many even use the function keys for anything but the media controls? So in most situations it will greatly increase discoverability for shortcuts. And the only key that was easy to hit blindly, relied on being at the left edge for that – which doesn't change.
- skeptic2718 10y agoA lot of people? A lot of time?
- throwanem 10y agoNot really, no. Even a lot of the devs I know don't make more than occasional use of function keys, aside from maybe F5. Non-devs? Are you kidding?
- skeptic2718 10y agoEverybody around me (non-devs) just answered they use F5 to reload websites all the time. Are you kidding?
- throwanem 10y agoNo, I'm expecting there to be a "Reload" button on the touch bar when a browser has focus.
- Retric 10y agoGames use function keys all the time. You don't need to touch type them as they are grouped.
- markwaldron 10y agoIf only they had the option to keep the function keys. My 2011 MBP has been serving me well all these years. Going to be difficult to justify giving it up.
- ihuman 10y agoOut of curiosity, what do you use the function keys for that couldn't be there as a more digital button that can better display the function? Edit: Also, if you hold down the function key, the function buttons come back.
- plorkyeran 10y agoDoing things without staring at my keyboard to figure out what buttons are available at every moment.
- Jtsummers 10y agoDefault action is `fn` key reveals the traditional function keys. May be possible to switch the default case, I'd expect.
- wtfishackernews 10y agoAre they really pretending nobody ever uses function keys?
- sblom 10y agoThey're not just pretending nobody ever uses function keys--they insinuated that no one has had a use for them since 1971.
- ohstopitu 10y agosince there are so many devs here...how do you feel about them removing the function keys?
- sblom 10y agoI'd be sad to see physical function keys go. Maybe there'll be a gizmo that I can put over the TouchBar that gives me physical keys that can simulate touches for me. :)
- throwanem 10y agoEh. They're far enough from home row that I rarely use them in any case, and there are some intriguing possibilities in the touch bar that make it potentially a worthwhile change. On the other hand, I'm a very late adopter, and will probably be using my current (late 2013) MBP for another three to five years, so it's not as though I'm going to have to worry about being the infantry here. By the time I get around to even considering the possibility of a purchase, it'll long since have been known whether or not the touch bar is a gimmick.
- davesque 10y agoDon't really care. I'm a vim user, but I use Ctrl-C instead of escape to get out of insert mode, etc. What I find obnoxious is that the hardware is already a bit outdated. Also, they act as though this touch bar is such a huge innovation when it really isn't. It's minor. Give me a laptop I can use for coding and also has an Apple Pencil compatible touch screen I can use for note taking. I'd call that innovation. But Apple has decided, for all of us, that no one really wants this. I will say, however, that the 4 thunderbolt 3 ports seem pretty useful. I also like how they're going with port-types that are standard instead of their usual proprietary nonsense.
- rthille 10y agoI hope you can require a password in addition to the fingerprint for protection against physical compulsion by law enforcement.
- elcapitan 10y agoIn addition to FileVault's plausible deniability feature.
- animex 10y agoWaiting for: And we've done away with the headphone jack...
- elcapitan 10y agoThe copper pyramid for self-healing is almost as appealing as the touchbar.
- soccerdave 10y agoThis is beyond laughable. I am genuinely so sad that they finally ruined the MBP. Watching him tap the auto-suggested words on the 'Touch Bar' is so sad. I have a 3 year old MBP and I was looking forward to upgrading it, but not anymore.
- m_fayer 10y agoIt's a consumer-level gimmick jammed into what's supposed to be a professional tool. Sad.
- dkonofalski 10y agoWait... why is this laughable? It seems incredibly useful.
- trcollinson 10y agoIt is beyond laughable? What exactly makes it laughable? Are you saying no consumer would want a customizable and context aware strip of buttons? Sure auto-suggested words might be useless for many of us who type exceptionally fast. But how about safari (or Chrome, or Firefox) navigation aware buttons? What about text formatting options? You can't think of any use for a context aware multi-touch haptic strip on the top of your keyboard? I have spent the better part of the last number of years trying to keep my hands ON the keyboard and AWAY from the mouse. This will allow me to do that in interesting new ways. I actually hope they make a full size external keyboard with the same functionality.
- soccerdave 10y agoDid you watch him typing an email and clicking the 'auto-suggested' words that were showing up? I do concede that there are some good uses for it though. When your hands are on the keyboard are you looking down at them to see where you are typing? Now you are going to take your eyes off the screen and see if the touch bar has something useful for you. I would imagine you are going to keep using the same keyboard shortcuts that you have used for years. [edited]
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- WayneBro 10y agoI can't get over the incredibly smarmy vibe that Apple emits at all times. It permeates their entire aura and the consistency amazes me. Every presenter has the same kind of rhythm and timing. I wonder who coaches them?
- grzm 10y agoI like the idea of the Touch Bar, and it does look like a great feature for customization and additional information space. A couple of thoughts: * What advantages does the Touch Bar have over chording? One I can think of is less need for memorization. * One advantage of physical keys is the physical keypress. I can imagine Apple adding taptic feedback in the future. All and all, I think this is a good move forward. * Is the the Touch Bar the new <marquee> /s
- forgettableuser 10y agoThe spacebar is a big amount of wasted space. They should make this a Touch Bar too so you can map multiple buttons to it.
- spankalee 10y agoI know there's a lot of hate, but I think the Touch Bar is really exciting. The keyboard + trackpad paradigm could use a little innovation and evolution in light of many years of touch screens. I wish they had made the trackpad itself a touch screen, but I suspect that's an inevitability now. I just hope that web pages can customize the Touch Bar too.
- falcolas 10y agoImagine what they could have done with a touch screen instead... No need for special APIs or interfaces, just expose a button and people can click on it directly. Expose a slider and people can slide it! How innovative!
- dmreedy 10y agoI find the OLED toolbar pretty interesting, and apparently well-implemented, but I am a little wary of how readily it recommends itself to a keyboard-based workflow. Most keyboards are designed such that I don't ever need to look away from my monitor. I just sort of think and my muscle memory does the work on the keyboard. Helpful affordances like physically distinguishable keys with different shapes, bumps on the homerow, and predictable, unchanging layout means that I can keep my eyes on the screen. There are certain functionalities that might justify the cost of looking down (not to sound too melodramatic). But one of the examples that keeps cropping up is autocomplete. Which seems like a rather unnatural thing to put anywhere but the text it's completing. Wondering what else the expect to show up on this thing, in a location I currently don't really ever look at if I don't have to.
- Jtsummers 10y agoI suspect that looking at it won't take too much attention. It's at the top of the keyboard, it's just a slight glance down, and after some time with a particular app, you'll develop a good muscle memory for whatever features it offers that you want.
- guessmyname 10y agoThey should have left at least two mechanical buttons in the OLED bar, one to the left and one to the right side for the ESC and Power button respectively, then put that bar in the middle between them. How will I know that the touch event in the virtual ESC key is being recognized? I suppose they considered the scenario when the computer freezes for whatever reason. BTW, what is up with the empty space between the left-border of the OLED bar and the virtual ESC key? The space on the right side seems to be for the Touch ID sensor, but the one on the left side makes no sense. And that Trackpad, it seems so big, they will eventually make it full-wide and then include a tactile pencil so you can convert it into a drawing tablet. It seems cool though, it's unfortunate that I cannot buy it (even when I have more than enough money to maximize its specifications), maybe in 2-3 years when the local shops refresh their stock I will be able to get my hands in that machine. I just hope that the RAM and CPU is powerful enough (aka. future proven) to justify the price in 2-3 years. EDIT: BTW, how do I power-on and force-shutdown this computer?
- soccerdave 10y agoI have a friend that has unusually sweaty hands and can never get the touch id on the iphone to work. Will that person be able to turn the laptop on?
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- landhar 10y agoI don't think the demos are making a good job at making it look "easy" to interact with the Touch Bar. It feels very cumbersome: eyes on screen, one hand on track pad another hand on the touchbar, so eyes on touchbar too, and from time to time one hand on the traditional keys (e.g.: for the demos with Messages and Mail). Perhaps it's just me, but I find it overwhelming.
- cglace 10y agoI kept thinking this as well. Without tactile feedback its an awfully small area to work with.
- landhar 10y agoYes, that's a very good point. I could see it being more useful if it where a much larger area. So that not so many interactions require coordinating the keyboard, the touch bar and the trackpad simultaneously.
- elcapitan 10y agoIt combines all the disadvantages of a keyboard with all the disadvantages of a touch device.
- davesque 10y agoIronically, I feel like this touch bar just underscores the fact that the screen is still just a big slab of dead, light-emitting glass. I am constantly amazed at how long Apple has managed to avoid the logical step of including a touch screen with its laptops. I'm sick of having separate devices for all my different use-cases.
- asenna 10y agoThey'll need to optimize the OS for touch first. And the way they're upgrading the Macbooks and MacOS, I don't think touch screen is anywhere on the horizon.
- m_fayer 10y agoI wouldn't be totally surprised if this was a hit with many consumers. But for many devs including myself this is a nonstarter. I'm sure Apple knew this and decided the loss was worth it. What I don't get is why no one, not Apple, not MS, not Lenovo, not anyone, makes "developer editions." These would only need a few tweaks, in this case retain the physical function keys, for PCs remove junkware and go out of your way to make Linux/dual booting easy, preconfigure the OS for "maximum manual operation", etc. It wouldn't be profitable and might even generate a small loss, but as Apple seems to be forgetting, having the favor of a huge swath of developers pays big dividends if you've got a platform to push.
- throwanem 10y agoNow that they've mentioned a 13" model with function keys, I look forward to seeing people fuss about how its spec isn't up to their requirements.
- skeptic2718 10y agoSome many jokes against 'terminal emulators' that I wonder if they understand we have these 'terminal emulators' opened all the time while working.
- forgettableuser 10y agoDid they just kill the Macbook Air? They kept emphasizing how the 13" Macbook Pro is thinner, smaller, and lighter than the Air. And at the end, they talk up the 12" Macbook.