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> removal requests should be handled per individual case Are you going to fund the internet archive to handle that workload? > if the domain owner changes, th

by mhurron 10y ago

> removal requests should be handled per individual case Are you going to fund the internet archive to handle that workload? > if the domain owner changes, they should not be able to remove content from old archives. Why not? If that work belongs to anyone, it is the current domain owner. Why does the fact that the internet archive happened to crawl it mean that suddenly they lose control of their information? This is elevating the Internet Archive from 'hey it's cool someone made a copy of that while it was up and no one cared' 'because the Internet Archive crawled it the world has absolute rights to that information from now on, wishes of the owner be damned.'

JoshTriplett 10y ago
> If that work belongs to anyone, it is the current domain owner. Not at all. A domain parker taking over a domain does not imply they have any rights over all the content that the previous owner of the domain posted.
- mhurron 10y ago
  Outside of any other information, it does imply that.
lucb1e 10y ago
> Are you going to fund the internet archive to handle that workload? I figured someone would ask that. I don't have an immediate answer but it's a good question (upvote for that). My hopes are just that removal requests are not too frequent. But without current numbers (of number of pages hidden after-the-fact and current removal requests) this is guesswork. They could charge for it perhaps? A dollar per request. Doesn't seem too unreasonable for something you mistakenly made available to the planet. It doesn't have to be per page, so if you made a million documents available all under example.com/hidden/ then hiding that folder is a simple action and costs just one dollar. You're paying them for their time. In the Netherlands, if you want your personal information (e.g. phone number; email address) removed from a company's systems, you can request that and they must grant it if they have no reason to keep the data any longer. And you can make requests to see your data, etc. But the law allows for companies to charge for this and I've seen example amounts (I think around 3 euros) somewhere. It's a somewhat similar situation. So I don't have a single good answer, but I think by-case is a better way to go (and worth thinking about, at least) than just using the current approach.

by mhurron 10y ago

JoshTriplett 10y ago

> If that work belongs to anyone, it is the current domain owner. Not at all. A domain parker taking over a domain does not imply they have any rights over all the content that the previous owner of the domain posted.

mhurron 10y ago
Outside of any other information, it does imply that.

lucb1e 10y ago

> Are you going to fund the internet archive to handle that workload? I figured someone would ask that. I don't have an immediate answer but it's a good question (upvote for that). My hopes are just that removal requests are not too frequent. But without current numbers (of number of pages hidden after-the-fact and current removal requests) this is guesswork. They could charge for it perhaps? A dollar per request. Doesn't seem too unreasonable for something you mistakenly made available to the planet. It doesn't have to be per page, so if you made a million documents available all under example.com/hidden/ then hiding that folder is a simple action and costs just one dollar. You're paying them for their time. In the Netherlands, if you want your personal information (e.g. phone number; email address) removed from a company's systems, you can request that and they must grant it if they have no reason to keep the data any longer. And you can make requests to see your data, etc. But the law allows for companies to charge for this and I've seen example amounts (I think around 3 euros) somewhere. It's a somewhat similar situation. So I don't have a single good answer, but I think by-case is a better way to go (and worth thinking about, at least) than just using the current approach.