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> They struggle enormously at providing solid cloud services, So does everyone else. > their websites suck (particularly their developer portals), I'm sure c

> They struggle enormously at providing solid cloud services, So does everyone else. > their websites suck (particularly their developer portals), I'm sure consumers care about developer portals. > they can't write a functional USB stack, Never had any problems with it. > macOS has more bugs than ever, How did you quantify this? > even iOS' stability seems to be going downhill. How did you quantify this? ... I'm not trying to discount your experience, but you really can't decide whether a company is good at tech based on n=1. I happen to think the design of everything since the iPhone 5 sucks, does that mean Apple is a tech company masquerading as a design company?

jacquesm 10y ago
You can make that n=2. Apple really pushed hard to get me to adopt their products, going so far as to give me free hardware to develop on, I never really saw the point. From an engineering point of view I'd rather develop on Linux, from a consumer point of view I like the hardware but the software just isn't there.
Benjamin_Dobell 10y ago
>> They struggle enormously at providing solid cloud services, > So does everyone else. That's fair, but given the size of Apple they're doing disproportionately poorly. >> their websites suck (particularly their developer portals), > I'm sure consumers care about developer portals. I didn't say consumers care. Consumers care about design, which is what Apple focus on, that's my point! >> they can't write a functional USB stack, > Never had any problems with it. Plug in a USB 3 hub. Any USB 3 hub... seriously. >> macOS has more bugs than ever, > How did you quantify this? As mentioned, Apple have a complete lack of transparency that makes this difficult to quantify. However, articles like https://eclecticlight.co/2016/09/28/known-bugs-in-macos-sierra-10-12-an-incomplete-summary/ https://eclecticlight.co/2016/09/28/known-bugs-in-macos-sier... give some incite. I've been using OS X/macOS for years, and at least in my personal experience it's been mostly downhill since Snow Leopard. Finder is particularly buggy, although Apple Mail also crashes at least once a week. Waking from sleep seems to wreak havoc on all sorts of things, why does my mouse and keyboard start playing up? >> even iOS' stability seems to be going downhill. > How did you quantify this? As above. Just personal experience. I genuinely do not use iOS much, I do admit that. I use it purely for development, a lot of which recently is just web development. However, Safari seems to have an uncanny ability to crash iOS entirely! Allocate a lot of large WebGL textures and watch the system burn. EDIT: To clarify the "downhill" statement, large WebGL texture allocations on iOS 8 do not cause a system crash, just the expected Safari tab crash. On iOS 9+ you'll be sent to the white boot screen at least 50% of the time, and things will get hot (on the same iPhone hardware).

jacquesm 10y ago

You can make that n=2. Apple really pushed hard to get me to adopt their products, going so far as to give me free hardware to develop on, I never really saw the point. From an engineering point of view I'd rather develop on Linux, from a consumer point of view I like the hardware but the software just isn't there.

Benjamin_Dobell 10y ago

>> They struggle enormously at providing solid cloud services, > So does everyone else. That's fair, but given the size of Apple they're doing disproportionately poorly. >> their websites suck (particularly their developer portals), > I'm sure consumers care about developer portals. I didn't say consumers care. Consumers care about design, which is what Apple focus on, that's my point! >> they can't write a functional USB stack, > Never had any problems with it. Plug in a USB 3 hub. Any USB 3 hub... seriously. >> macOS has more bugs than ever, > How did you quantify this? As mentioned, Apple have a complete lack of transparency that makes this difficult to quantify. However, articles like https://eclecticlight.co/2016/09/28/known-bugs-in-macos-sierra-10-12-an-incomplete-summary/ https://eclecticlight.co/2016/09/28/known-bugs-in-macos-sier... give some incite. I've been using OS X/macOS for years, and at least in my personal experience it's been mostly downhill since Snow Leopard. Finder is particularly buggy, although Apple Mail also crashes at least once a week. Waking from sleep seems to wreak havoc on all sorts of things, why does my mouse and keyboard start playing up? >> even iOS' stability seems to be going downhill. > How did you quantify this? As above. Just personal experience. I genuinely do not use iOS much, I do admit that. I use it purely for development, a lot of which recently is just web development. However, Safari seems to have an uncanny ability to crash iOS entirely! Allocate a lot of large WebGL textures and watch the system burn. EDIT: To clarify the "downhill" statement, large WebGL texture allocations on iOS 8 do not cause a system crash, just the expected Safari tab crash. On iOS 9+ you'll be sent to the white boot screen at least 50% of the time, and things will get hot (on the same iPhone hardware).