> Can they develop complex software/systems? The evidence strongly suggests a resounding, no! I love me a bit of schadenfreude about apple in my time, but come

> Can they develop complex software/systems? The evidence strongly suggests a resounding, no! I love me a bit of schadenfreude about apple in my time, but come on - they took a unix base and turned it into a desktop that that naives can use pretty safely. No-one else has done that, not without dumbing it down into a simplified OS like a smartphone OS. They certainly do seem to be sliding given that their users are grumbling more and more, but really, they've got a fair few notches in their belt (though they definitely do also have some turkeys)