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It has been rigged. That won't change if Trump wins. It will still have been rigged, but the people will have overcome that handicap.

by stray 10y ago

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
Evidence?
- stray 10y ago
  The system is rigged as evidenced by outrageously lopsided support verging on Soviet level propaganda. And at least some electronic voting machines manufacturers have clear conflict of interest because of association with Clinton Foundation. Not to mention the emails (verifiable through DKIM) released by Wikileaks outlining the rigging of the Dem primaries -- as well as Project Veritas videos some of which are corroborated by FEC filings, CNN video, and other mainstream media sources.
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    Most of the media is on one side. I accept that statement. (Though I'm not sure that Fox is "fair and balanced", either.) DNC was clearly on Hillary's side, which is not what they're supposed to be doing. I accept that as well. To most people, though, "the election is rigged" means "the votes are not counted honestly". Do you have evidence of that?
    - stray 10y ago
      You mean like Chambers County, Texas? They pulled electronic voting machines and switched to paper ballots because the machines were switching the presidential votes from Trump to Clinton for people who had voted all-republican? http://www.12newsnow.com/news/local/programming-issue-briefly-forces-chambers-county-voters-back-to-paper-ballots/341655957 http://www.12newsnow.com/news/local/programming-issue-briefl... http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/213659018-story http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/213659018-story I think machines that change votes to favor Clinton -- and ONLY Clinton -- counts as votes not counted honestly. Would you agree with that?
      - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        Well, it counts as votes not being counted accurately. It's only not being counted honestly if it's deliberate. Also, one county in Texas is not going to hand Clinton the election. Is there any evidence that this is systematic and country-wide? Or is it just one incident in Texas? Look, all votes should be counted accurately. But it's going to take probably more than a million votes changing to change this election. Anything less than that is still a problem, still needs fixed, but isn't going to change the result.
        stray 10y ago
        So we're just going to keep moving the goalposts? I don't believe you're arguing in good faith. What does it take to convince you? Does video evidence of people involved in the Clinton campaign bragging about voter intimidation suffice? Or do you not think voter intimidation counts as rigging an election? So what's good enough? We've got some pretty damning emails that can be proven not to have been altered (DKIM) -- is that good enough? Clearly, voting machines supplied by companies with ties to the Clinton foundation having "glitches" that always work in favor of Clinton isn't good enough. Do we consider Clinton having received debate questions beforehand to be rigging? Or do we just ignore that a candidate for President of The United States has just been proven to have CHEATED -- because that cheating wasn't dishonestly counting votes with PROVABLE INTENT? I could bring up the "coincidence" of the Democratic Party bus caught illegally dumping raw sewage on the side of a road in my hometown -- miraculously coinciding with an unprecedented early voter turnout. But why bother? We'll just move the goalposts further. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Because even with a completely rigged system -- we're going to elect Trump anyway.
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        I'm not moving the goalposts at all. I told you several posts upthread what the word "rigged" meant to me. (That was your word, but you didn't define it, so I did, because I suspected that we didn't share the same definition. So if I'm moving the goalposts, I did it then, and it's taken you until now to notice :-)

It has been rigged. That won't change if Trump wins. It will still have been rigged, but the people will have overcome that handicap.

by stray 10y ago

It has been rigged. That won't change if Trump wins. It will still have been rigged, but the people will have overcome that handicap.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

Evidence?

stray 10y ago
The system is rigged as evidenced by outrageously lopsided support verging on Soviet level propaganda. And at least some electronic voting machines manufacturers have clear conflict of interest because of association with Clinton Foundation. Not to mention the emails (verifiable through DKIM) released by Wikileaks outlining the rigging of the Dem primaries -- as well as Project Veritas videos some of which are corroborated by FEC filings, CNN video, and other mainstream media sources.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  Most of the media is on one side. I accept that statement. (Though I'm not sure that Fox is "fair and balanced", either.) DNC was clearly on Hillary's side, which is not what they're supposed to be doing. I accept that as well. To most people, though, "the election is rigged" means "the votes are not counted honestly". Do you have evidence of that?
  - stray 10y ago
    You mean like Chambers County, Texas? They pulled electronic voting machines and switched to paper ballots because the machines were switching the presidential votes from Trump to Clinton for people who had voted all-republican? http://www.12newsnow.com/news/local/programming-issue-briefly-forces-chambers-county-voters-back-to-paper-ballots/341655957 http://www.12newsnow.com/news/local/programming-issue-briefl... http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/213659018-story http://www.fox26houston.com/news/local-news/213659018-story I think machines that change votes to favor Clinton -- and ONLY Clinton -- counts as votes not counted honestly. Would you agree with that?
    - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
      Well, it counts as votes not being counted accurately. It's only not being counted honestly if it's deliberate. Also, one county in Texas is not going to hand Clinton the election. Is there any evidence that this is systematic and country-wide? Or is it just one incident in Texas? Look, all votes should be counted accurately. But it's going to take probably more than a million votes changing to change this election. Anything less than that is still a problem, still needs fixed, but isn't going to change the result.
      - stray 10y ago
        So we're just going to keep moving the goalposts? I don't believe you're arguing in good faith. What does it take to convince you? Does video evidence of people involved in the Clinton campaign bragging about voter intimidation suffice? Or do you not think voter intimidation counts as rigging an election? So what's good enough? We've got some pretty damning emails that can be proven not to have been altered (DKIM) -- is that good enough? Clearly, voting machines supplied by companies with ties to the Clinton foundation having "glitches" that always work in favor of Clinton isn't good enough. Do we consider Clinton having received debate questions beforehand to be rigging? Or do we just ignore that a candidate for President of The United States has just been proven to have CHEATED -- because that cheating wasn't dishonestly counting votes with PROVABLE INTENT? I could bring up the "coincidence" of the Democratic Party bus caught illegally dumping raw sewage on the side of a road in my hometown -- miraculously coinciding with an unprecedented early voter turnout. But why bother? We'll just move the goalposts further. Whatever. It doesn't matter. Because even with a completely rigged system -- we're going to elect Trump anyway.
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        I'm not moving the goalposts at all. I told you several posts upthread what the word "rigged" meant to me. (That was your word, but you didn't define it, so I did, because I suspected that we didn't share the same definition. So if I'm moving the goalposts, I did it then, and it's taken you until now to notice :-)