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I work for a legal software company so I can tell you that there are still lawyers practicing now who cannot use computers almost at all despite being very smar

by tdb7893 10y ago

I work for a legal software company so I can tell you that there are still lawyers practicing now who cannot use computers almost at all despite being very smart people. It's just a matter of perspective. She talked to the previous person in her job to figure out what to do and then she did what he said. There was nothing found that was marked classified, which would have made is so she obviously knew exactly what she was doing, so it just seems to me that she didn't really understand the situation and was lax in dealing with information that should've been classified. I haven't seen anything not circumstantial that she purposefully put classified information on this server.

davidf18 10y ago
> I work for a legal software company so I can tell you that there are still lawyers practicing now who cannot use computers almost at all despite being very smart people. Don't they have to type reports or briefs while in law school using Word? Don't they have to use WestLaw and other search programs in law school? Don't they buy things on Amazon? Search for articles in Wikipedia? > so it just seems to me that she didn't really understand the situation.... There were people telling her not to use the private server. Moreover, I think almost anyone working for government would understand that official Secretary of State business belongs on government emails and servers and not an email server in one's home with private email addresses. She was doing what she was doing so she could delete the emails so that people could not do Freedom of Information Act requests.
- tdb7893 10y ago
  Lawyers do now but they used to search through large books for them and it's only in maybe the last decade or two that computer skills really became important and many law firms were really resistant to computerization. She hasn't practiced law it seems since before I was born and I can pretty easily say that you could have definitely been a lawyer then without computer skills. I don't think the whole thing was against FOIA requests. I might be wrong but I thought she had originally tried to get a more secured blackberry like Obama has and that would've been subject to FOIA requests. She deleted emails before turning them over to the FBI because she didn't want them subject to an FOIA request but as someone who would not want every conversation on his phone public I can't get too mad about it. As always my opinion on it is same as my opinion on most dumb things people have done, mindbogglingly stupid, but not malicious. Fun Fact: I was talking to a Westlaw salesman and apparently when the Westlaw website first came out he was trying to sell it to a law office and after telling the lawyer how much time he was going to save because of it he just replied "why would I want to save time when I bill by the hour".
  - davidf18 10y ago
    > "why would I want to save time when I bill by the hour". :-) Another reason besides security for using government servers is that the emails were supposed to be available for FOIA requests by law. I can certainly see why someone may not want to be subject to FOIA for any kinds of mistakes, etc. but that is the law. If Clinton didn't like the idea of FOIA so very much, she should not have become Secretary of State (or a Senator for that matter).
outand_up 10y ago
Once again, you're making incorrect statements, even after I called you out on the comment below. If you're not working for Correct The Record already, they owe you a paycheck. 1) In a leaked DNC email, Colin Powell (the person you purport to have told Hillary to concoct this email scheme) writes: "I didn't tell Hillary to have a private server at home, connected to the Clinton Foundation, two contractors, took away 60,000 emails, had her own domain" 2) You are again asserting that there was nothing marked classified. There were 110 emails in 52 email chains that were classified at the time they were sent or received, and at least 3 (that the FBI director remembers) that contained visible classified header markings. Watch FBI Director James Comey at a House Oversight Committee meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ If you want facts - read wikileaks, read the FBI statements, etc. I cite sources because you cannot expect truth from people on the internet, or highly editorialized mainstream news outlets.
outand_up 10y ago
We're not dealing with some podunk law firm client-attorney confidentiality policy. We're talking about national security secrets. "Not understanding the situation" or being "lax in dealing with classified information", as you say, is criminal gross negligence. I don't think you realize how easy it is to have your security clearance revoked. We do not, and should not, play word games with this sort of thing. "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now." - FBI Director James Comey https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-b...

by tdb7893 10y ago

davidf18 10y ago

> I work for a legal software company so I can tell you that there are still lawyers practicing now who cannot use computers almost at all despite being very smart people. Don't they have to type reports or briefs while in law school using Word? Don't they have to use WestLaw and other search programs in law school? Don't they buy things on Amazon? Search for articles in Wikipedia? > so it just seems to me that she didn't really understand the situation.... There were people telling her not to use the private server. Moreover, I think almost anyone working for government would understand that official Secretary of State business belongs on government emails and servers and not an email server in one's home with private email addresses. She was doing what she was doing so she could delete the emails so that people could not do Freedom of Information Act requests.

tdb7893 10y ago
Lawyers do now but they used to search through large books for them and it's only in maybe the last decade or two that computer skills really became important and many law firms were really resistant to computerization. She hasn't practiced law it seems since before I was born and I can pretty easily say that you could have definitely been a lawyer then without computer skills. I don't think the whole thing was against FOIA requests. I might be wrong but I thought she had originally tried to get a more secured blackberry like Obama has and that would've been subject to FOIA requests. She deleted emails before turning them over to the FBI because she didn't want them subject to an FOIA request but as someone who would not want every conversation on his phone public I can't get too mad about it. As always my opinion on it is same as my opinion on most dumb things people have done, mindbogglingly stupid, but not malicious. Fun Fact: I was talking to a Westlaw salesman and apparently when the Westlaw website first came out he was trying to sell it to a law office and after telling the lawyer how much time he was going to save because of it he just replied "why would I want to save time when I bill by the hour".
- davidf18 10y ago
  > "why would I want to save time when I bill by the hour". :-) Another reason besides security for using government servers is that the emails were supposed to be available for FOIA requests by law. I can certainly see why someone may not want to be subject to FOIA for any kinds of mistakes, etc. but that is the law. If Clinton didn't like the idea of FOIA so very much, she should not have become Secretary of State (or a Senator for that matter).

outand_up 10y ago

Once again, you're making incorrect statements, even after I called you out on the comment below. If you're not working for Correct The Record already, they owe you a paycheck. 1) In a leaked DNC email, Colin Powell (the person you purport to have told Hillary to concoct this email scheme) writes: "I didn't tell Hillary to have a private server at home, connected to the Clinton Foundation, two contractors, took away 60,000 emails, had her own domain" 2) You are again asserting that there was nothing marked classified. There were 110 emails in 52 email chains that were classified at the time they were sent or received, and at least 3 (that the FBI director remembers) that contained visible classified header markings. Watch FBI Director James Comey at a House Oversight Committee meeting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC1Mc6-RDyQ If you want facts - read wikileaks, read the FBI statements, etc. I cite sources because you cannot expect truth from people on the internet, or highly editorialized mainstream news outlets.

outand_up 10y ago

We're not dealing with some podunk law firm client-attorney confidentiality policy. We're talking about national security secrets. "Not understanding the situation" or being "lax in dealing with classified information", as you say, is criminal gross negligence. I don't think you realize how easy it is to have your security clearance revoked. We do not, and should not, play word games with this sort of thing. "To be clear, this is not to suggest that in similar circumstances, a person who engaged in this activity would face no consequences. To the contrary, those individuals are often subject to security or administrative sanctions. But that is not what we are deciding now." - FBI Director James Comey https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-by-fbi-director-james-b-comey-on-the-investigation-of-secretary-hillary-clinton2019s-use-of-a-personal-e-mail-system https://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/statement-b...