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Or maybe so a rigged election can be completely stolen if Trump wins in a landslide despite the rigging.

by stray 10y ago

AnimalMuppet 10y ago
If. I don't think that's going to happen, though - either the rigging or the Trump landslide.
- stray 10y ago
  The Trump landslide is nearly guaranteed. There is far more excitement today for Trump than there was for Reagan back in 1980. The only difference is that the news media were not trying to hide the fact 36 years ago. It may not be obvious to you if you live in one of a few echo chambers like SV, but drive around anywhere else and you'll see very little excitement for the other side. As for the rigging -- believe what you want to believe -- it's going to fail anyway.
  - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
    I'm in Utah. I was at the Republican caucus for my area. The opposition to Trump was extremely high. I don't know where you are and where you get your information, but I'm pretty sure that Trump is not winning in a landslide. I was visiting Scotland just a couple of weeks before the vote to leave the UK. I correctly predicted that "No" would win, though I was off on margin of victory by 6 points. As an outsider, and knowing nothing of the issues, I could see that the "Yes" people were more vocal and the "No" people were more quiet, and therefore that if you got the sense of where the vote was going based on the amount of noise, you were going to over-rate "Yes". I think it's the same thing here. The Trump supporters are vocal. Hillary supporters are more "Meh, at least she's not Trump". Don't mistake the amount of noise for the number of votes.
    - stray 10y ago
      I've driven just short of 45,000 miles this year -- over most of the country. And there are easily 30 trump signs for every hillary sign. The hillary "support" is mostly fake. Just like the fake Carter support in '80. You'll see.
      - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        We'll see, certainly. A question for you: Suppose that Trump loses. Are you going to believe that it had to be rigged? Or are you going to decide that you were wrong in how you read the country? (BTW, for whatever it's worth: Here in Utah, there's plenty of political signs, but very few for either Trump or Hillary. Nobody feels enough in favor of either of them to put up signs. I've seen more signs for Gary Johnson than for anyone.)
        stray 10y ago
        It has been rigged. That won't change if Trump wins. It will still have been rigged, but the people will have overcome that handicap.
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        Evidence?
        stray 10y ago
        The system is rigged as evidenced by outrageously lopsided support verging on Soviet level propaganda. And at least some electronic voting machines manufacturers have clear conflict of interest because of association with Clinton Foundation. Not to mention the emails (verifiable through DKIM) released by Wikileaks outlining the rigging of the Dem primaries -- as well as Project Veritas videos some of which are corroborated by FEC filings, CNN video, and other mainstream media sources.
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago

Or maybe so a rigged election can be completely stolen if Trump wins in a landslide despite the rigging.

by stray 10y ago

Or maybe so a rigged election can be completely stolen if Trump wins in a landslide despite the rigging.

AnimalMuppet 10y ago

If. I don't think that's going to happen, though - either the rigging or the Trump landslide.

stray 10y ago
The Trump landslide is nearly guaranteed. There is far more excitement today for Trump than there was for Reagan back in 1980. The only difference is that the news media were not trying to hide the fact 36 years ago. It may not be obvious to you if you live in one of a few echo chambers like SV, but drive around anywhere else and you'll see very little excitement for the other side. As for the rigging -- believe what you want to believe -- it's going to fail anyway.
- AnimalMuppet 10y ago
  I'm in Utah. I was at the Republican caucus for my area. The opposition to Trump was extremely high. I don't know where you are and where you get your information, but I'm pretty sure that Trump is not winning in a landslide. I was visiting Scotland just a couple of weeks before the vote to leave the UK. I correctly predicted that "No" would win, though I was off on margin of victory by 6 points. As an outsider, and knowing nothing of the issues, I could see that the "Yes" people were more vocal and the "No" people were more quiet, and therefore that if you got the sense of where the vote was going based on the amount of noise, you were going to over-rate "Yes". I think it's the same thing here. The Trump supporters are vocal. Hillary supporters are more "Meh, at least she's not Trump". Don't mistake the amount of noise for the number of votes.
  - stray 10y ago
    I've driven just short of 45,000 miles this year -- over most of the country. And there are easily 30 trump signs for every hillary sign. The hillary "support" is mostly fake. Just like the fake Carter support in '80. You'll see.
    - AnimalMuppet 10y ago
      We'll see, certainly. A question for you: Suppose that Trump loses. Are you going to believe that it had to be rigged? Or are you going to decide that you were wrong in how you read the country? (BTW, for whatever it's worth: Here in Utah, there's plenty of political signs, but very few for either Trump or Hillary. Nobody feels enough in favor of either of them to put up signs. I've seen more signs for Gary Johnson than for anyone.)
      - stray 10y ago
        It has been rigged. That won't change if Trump wins. It will still have been rigged, but the people will have overcome that handicap.
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago
        Evidence?
        stray 10y ago
        The system is rigged as evidenced by outrageously lopsided support verging on Soviet level propaganda. And at least some electronic voting machines manufacturers have clear conflict of interest because of association with Clinton Foundation. Not to mention the emails (verifiable through DKIM) released by Wikileaks outlining the rigging of the Dem primaries -- as well as Project Veritas videos some of which are corroborated by FEC filings, CNN video, and other mainstream media sources.
        AnimalMuppet 10y ago