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they are in many places just not nyc. if you are against that, and i agree your point has merits, try to change the law. don't actively work to break the law.

madeofpalk 10y ago
To be fair, they're 'just' following the Uber playbook of breaking the law in the most public way possible with the hope of changing the law in their favour
- davidf18 10y ago
  No, not really, because AirBnB puts transients in apartment buildings that threaten the safety of people who live there. AirBnB seems to have little regard for the safety of New Yorkers: there are children, the elderly, and women who should be able to feel safe and be safe in their own apartment buildings. Many, many buildings have doormen in NYC have doormen who keep transients out. People are free to take Uber and it does not threaten the safety of New Yorkers. In fact, it has been helpful to help reduce taxi-like vehicle fares in NYC for New Yorkers. AirBnB does not benefit New Yorkers except those who rent out their apartments.
  - sokoloff 10y ago
    To the extent that AirBnB increases tourism to an area, or reduces the cost of lodging, leaving a propensity for tourists to spend more locally (and have the same total cost of their stay), the local merchant community benefits.
    - davidf18 10y ago
      Well, if this is the goal, then the merchants could advertise the low-cost hotels in Union City, NJ ($60 Priceline) 15 mins from Times Square. This way the merchants benefit without the harms to NYC residents. Of course, the businessmen hotel/motel owners in Union City benefit as well. Win-win-win (NYC merchant, NYC resident, Union City merchant).
      - sokoloff 10y ago
        If I'm a deli, pub, pizza, or dinner place in Manhattan, I benefit WAY less from someone staying in another state than I do from someone staying in my neighborhood.
        davidf18 10y ago
        Union City, NJ is 4 miles from Times Square (Apple Maps). People live there are far beyond and commute to NYC every day for work. While technically another state, it is much closer to Times Square than much, if not most, of NYC. Most New Yorkers could care less that people are using AirBnB to save money. We do care about transients being in our apartment buildings. People who are visitors to any city or country should show respect to those who live there.
        sokoloff 10y ago
        4 miles and crossing a river is a pretty long walk for pizza, beer, or dinner. I doubt you'll find a pizza place in Times Square who wants to advertise for people to go stay in New Jersey in hopes that that advertising will be net profitable for them. It's obvious you don't like AirBnB's prior operations in NYC; I can respect that. I started out commenting how AirBnB can in fact benefit a New Yorker other than those who directly rent out their apartments on the site.
    - subpixel 10y ago
      That's the logic used to lobby for allowing cruise ships to dock in your port, but the reality is it's the high-end visitors who spend money. The kind who stay in a nice hotel.
      - sokoloff 10y ago
        Most everyone who stays in a city away from home buys food and drink. Some of those people will buy more expensive food and drink if their lodging is cheaper, but almost everyone buys something locally.

madeofpalk 10y ago

To be fair, they're 'just' following the Uber playbook of breaking the law in the most public way possible with the hope of changing the law in their favour

davidf18 10y ago
No, not really, because AirBnB puts transients in apartment buildings that threaten the safety of people who live there. AirBnB seems to have little regard for the safety of New Yorkers: there are children, the elderly, and women who should be able to feel safe and be safe in their own apartment buildings. Many, many buildings have doormen in NYC have doormen who keep transients out. People are free to take Uber and it does not threaten the safety of New Yorkers. In fact, it has been helpful to help reduce taxi-like vehicle fares in NYC for New Yorkers. AirBnB does not benefit New Yorkers except those who rent out their apartments.
- sokoloff 10y ago
  To the extent that AirBnB increases tourism to an area, or reduces the cost of lodging, leaving a propensity for tourists to spend more locally (and have the same total cost of their stay), the local merchant community benefits.
  - davidf18 10y ago
    Well, if this is the goal, then the merchants could advertise the low-cost hotels in Union City, NJ ($60 Priceline) 15 mins from Times Square. This way the merchants benefit without the harms to NYC residents. Of course, the businessmen hotel/motel owners in Union City benefit as well. Win-win-win (NYC merchant, NYC resident, Union City merchant).
    - sokoloff 10y ago
      If I'm a deli, pub, pizza, or dinner place in Manhattan, I benefit WAY less from someone staying in another state than I do from someone staying in my neighborhood.
      - davidf18 10y ago
        Union City, NJ is 4 miles from Times Square (Apple Maps). People live there are far beyond and commute to NYC every day for work. While technically another state, it is much closer to Times Square than much, if not most, of NYC. Most New Yorkers could care less that people are using AirBnB to save money. We do care about transients being in our apartment buildings. People who are visitors to any city or country should show respect to those who live there.
        sokoloff 10y ago
        4 miles and crossing a river is a pretty long walk for pizza, beer, or dinner. I doubt you'll find a pizza place in Times Square who wants to advertise for people to go stay in New Jersey in hopes that that advertising will be net profitable for them. It's obvious you don't like AirBnB's prior operations in NYC; I can respect that. I started out commenting how AirBnB can in fact benefit a New Yorker other than those who directly rent out their apartments on the site.
  - subpixel 10y ago
    That's the logic used to lobby for allowing cruise ships to dock in your port, but the reality is it's the high-end visitors who spend money. The kind who stay in a nice hotel.
    - sokoloff 10y ago
      Most everyone who stays in a city away from home buys food and drink. Some of those people will buy more expensive food and drink if their lodging is cheaper, but almost everyone buys something locally.